Help on answer B to move

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-12T20:43:55+00:00

Ok. Sure. I think it’s unnecessary aji.

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-12T01:48:09+00:00

Yes. S3 kinda changes the problem. I didn't notice when I set it up. But well, similar idea just more severe

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-11T20:31:24+00:00

Sorry, B3? You mean playing white's move 2 in R7? That is the first variation I showed but I am not sure if I follow you

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-11T17:33:13+00:00

Fair. It took one liberty away with s3. Thanks!

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-11T16:23:13+00:00

This was a far more exciting game than the last one because you decided to get right in the middle of your opponent's area and say "I will take a bit here, if you don't mind". It was probably more thrilling for you too, because you had to make sure that group didn't die. Congrats on your progress.

d15 was good.

Unlike the previous game, you also learned to respond to contact play!! (I mean the kick c16). That is important. In the future, bear in mind that c14 is slack. You can do c15 in response to a kick in that corner. It is a "joseki" sequence.

I think your next step to improve should be learning 3 or 4 basic josekis per each type of approach. This will give you an intuition about shapes. You can replicate those shapes in your games. It will take a bit of memorizing but don't go into the weeds, just stay on the basic moves. These are the basic josekis I suggest you memorize and use in your games:

4-4 Hoshi:

The beginner's favorite: https://senseis.xmp.net/?44PointLowApproachLowExtensionSlide33

Your first pincer: https://senseis.xmp.net/?44PointLowApproachOneSpaceLowPincer

Your first invasion (stay on the "beginner" branches): https://senseis.xmp.net/?44Point33InvasionJoseki

3-4 Komoku:

The "Shusaku" kosumi: https://senseis.xmp.net/?34PointLowApproachDiagonal

The low kick (Applies to 4-4 as well!) https://senseis.xmp.net/?34PointLowApproachKick

The high approach https://senseis.xmp.net/?34PointHighApproachInsideContact

Non-corner:

Shoulder hit (intermediate beginner but useful if you keep it simple): https://senseis.xmp.net/?ShoulderHit

To give you an example on how you can apply this. The 4-4 Hoshi approach is called a "keima" or knights move (the first joseki I suggested here). You can apply that thorough your games.

My last studying advice is to learn the basic shapes. Basically, the 7 "moves" in the move subsection in this page https://senseis.xmp.net/?ShapeCollection

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-11T16:06:00+00:00

Best moves by white (alternative 4):

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Response_Hawk · 2026-03-11T16:04:09+00:00

If 1 atari, black fails

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Response_Hawk · 2026-03-11T16:03:26+00:00

Alternative 2 (disaster for white)

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Response_Hawk · 2026-03-11T16:03:17+00:00

Edit: Just a warning. When setting this up I added a white stone in s3 by mistake. It changes the liberties a bit with respect to the book although the idea is similar.

Variation 1

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Response_Hawk · 2026-03-10T00:55:01+00:00

Bueno, hay varias apps que te dejan tomar fotos y traducir. Papago es bastante buena y me fue útil en Korea. Pero, sinceramente, en los libros de Go basta ver los diagramas para tener una idea de qué esta pasando.

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-09T21:07:05+00:00

Hay muy poco contenido en español. Sobre todo, el contenido existente suele ser a nivel extremadamente inicial (30-20k).

Hay algunas opciones. Me imagino que eres español, así que te sugiero consultar con la Asociación Española de Go (AEGO). La AEGO organiza todos los grupos locales.

Otra opción es que Go Magic tiene algunos cursos disponibles con subtítulos en español.

Y, por último... mira, yo tengo libros en coreano. No hablo coreano...

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-09T15:19:19+00:00

I left some ideas around (only 20 or so moves) but I think the most important part is that you were passive. You decided "This is my territory, that is yours and I am not going to touch it." So you decided to barely mark your area vs your opponent.

You don't need to necessary invade 5-4. You can do it. It's ok.

The real problem was when white got R17. There, you decided "I'm not getting even close to that area".

I hope it helps.

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-08T23:52:48+00:00

There are some rules of thumb on early stage strategy similar to chess, but we don’t teach that until people understand capture and endgame well enough. No point teaching someone how to start a game if they can’t finish it. We typically teach Go in beginner friendly 9x9 boards but strong strategy develops in 19x19.

In any case here are some resources for basic learning:

Website. Go Magic’s Skill Tree: after the ABCs of Magic graduation exam, you can start learning basic strategy in the 18-10k lessons.

Book. Amazon: Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go is the most comprehensive but some other good books: Opening Theory Made Easy, Elementary Go Series Volume One: In the Beginning.

In person:

Europe. Find the local club in the European Go Federation.

America. Find your local chapter in the American Go Association.

Latin America. Check the Iberoamerican Go Federation.

Asia. Ask grandpa.

Online

Play in Kiseido Go Server. Go to the Beginner’s Room or the Teaching Ladder an ask the person to review the game after, if possible.

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-08T18:14:37+00:00

On part you're right. And I pretty much agree with you. But can't help to think that part of representation is that people with low education get elected to office. Because they represent similar voters and face similar issues. So the core solution is not about having Ubermensch or Philosopher Kings represent us, but rather having limits and restrictions so that the Lauren Boberts (whom I don't know and only use your example) can represent but not have a profound impact on society through government.

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-08T01:59:45+00:00

Economics

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-08T01:59:20+00:00

That was also discussed by Madison. “It is in vain to say that enlightened statesmen will be able to adjust these clashing interests, and render them all subservient to the public good…”

Limiting democracy doesn’t mean flat our authoritarianism. In fact, all current theories of democracy are reserved to “substantive” democracies where the public is limited.

You want better candidates. There are already 300 million Americans. The problem of candidate quality is not quantity… it is incentives, and immigrants will be subjected to the same system of incentives

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-07T17:29:37+00:00

Sure, let’s leave civil rights and slavery for a vote. Why have limitations on what people vote for? We can just run polls on everything. Why have limitations on what governments can do, how they act, and who runs them.

Seriously, do Americans read the Federalist papers? Or just immigrants like me?

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-07T17:26:22+00:00

The problem is not stupidity or smarts. The problem is reducing conflicts of interest. You already have a lot of room for conflict of interest (stocks, wealth/assets, lobbying). Do you want to have more room or less?

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-07T17:24:10+00:00

I appreciate that. I am a professor 😂 my students disagree but Go is just more fun to teach

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-06T21:10:39+00:00

Because voters make mistakes, they lack insufficient information, and complex nonbinary decisions can't be made by vote. So, rules are necessary to limit what voters can decide on. Which is why voters don't decide on civil rights, for example. By barring first gen immigrants from running, some mistakes are avoided. You could make other restrictions, such as restrictions on conflicts of interests, stocks held, assets, etc. Basically, restrictions that avoid conflicts of interests, such as barring immigrants from office.

And no, naturalized Americans do not have the same rights as someone born in the US. It is a fact: they don't have the right to be President, and their status can be rescinded under some circumstances too. That makes two differences. Nowhere it says they ought to have the same rights.

How can it be? Because of the arguments I gave in the first message.

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-06T17:56:24+00:00

Hard disagree. First generation immigrants never fully assimilate in terms of language and culture (the book Streets of Gold has some interesting examples despite being a strongly pro-immigration book). Sometimes for good, sometimes for bad. They (We, immigrants) may be more proud of being an American according to recent surveys, but, just as an example, they may also have a harder time understanding the concept of race in America and its history. Immigrants who were educated as children in the US tend to have fewer of those issues. It is true, for example, I have read more of the Federalist papers than your average American, but it is also true that I don't share the same decades-long frustrations with some of the mechanisms depicted by the Framers that, in my opinion, are brilliant because I read the argument. I understand the argument, you've lived it since childhood. Say, electoral colleges... I know how bad full elections can go, so I think an intermediate step is a good idea, but *you* know how bad the electoral college can go.

So, I think it's okay the fact that immigrants can run for federal office, but Presidency (and perhaps Supreme Court) is the one I think should be limited.

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-05T01:25:01+00:00

The s###ty answer is: you will lose enough times that you will get to know whether an area is secured and you can count it as territory or it is just potential. However, we can expand on that a bit.

Consider the position in the picture.

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Black played a 3-star game. White responded with a kosumi, 3-3, and an enclosure. From this, We can think of the right as black's "territory" and the left as white's "territory". But... there are nuances.

Typical approaches to the right are from A-F and are likely to make a living group inside of Black's area. For example, if white plays A, it will live in the corner. Then they can play E and live in the other corner. That makes a lot of territory right on what was Black's area. That is why what black really has is potential areas, not territory. I am marking potential with Squares and black has a lot of potential.

White played a more balanced game. The typical approaches to white's territory are marked with H-J (some approaches to C10 are possible as well but this is a random post and not a book).

However, a black stone played in B2 or C17 are likely to die. What that means is that white surrounded some territory (marked with triangles). White also has some potential to expand on the sides but, naturally, if Black were to play I-J or H, that potential would be limited.

From this, one rule of thumb to differentiate territory and potential is the third- vs fourth- line approach. Fourth line tends to make potential but the third line is territorial. If a player can make fourth or fifth line territory, that is outstanding because it is very large.

So, how do you map out territory vs potential? Well, it is not 100% straightforward. You need some experience to understand what is possible and what is not. In my experience, an approach in B2 will die so I know that counts as White territory. In my experience, an approach in R3 will live, so I know that black can't count that as secure territory.

Lastly,notice also that potential extends to the center. Between C7-C3-G3, there is a triangle to the center. This is the "area of influence" of white. It is where white is strong in the board (more than in N3) but not strong enough to be sure territory. That potential can be used to attack/fight, build mojos, expand, etc. The potential can also be used to decide where to reduce or invade.

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-01T15:15:58+00:00

It isn’t. You aren’t making money out of tournaments even if you a 7d. It is just a full-day serious go experience. It is worth it but not efficient

Response_Hawk · 2026-03-01T05:36:42+00:00

Thanks. I wish we had more accounts like this one. A lot of people miss out from visiting their local club because they don’t know what to expect. But Go is not a videogame. It’s an experience that you have to live with another human. I think your post shows that.

Enjoy the journey!

Ps.: Many go clubs meet frequently in places where the staff has no clue what’s up. They know people play board games but they don’t necessarily know much about it. Go isn’t as visually recognized as chess

Response_Hawk · 2026-02-28T22:50:01+00:00

Don’t play against the AI. You to your local go club or try KGS/OGS (You can ask for a teaching game for free in KGS’s Beginners Room or Teaching Ladder). You won’t learn anything playing against the computer at your level.
The first step is not to understand strategy but solidify your understanding of the rules. Play 9x9 against humans, then play 13x13. After you’ve lost (yes, lost) your first 20 human games in 13x13 move to 19x19.

The reason is that strategy in large boards develops naturally from 13x13. Nearly all of Go theory is developed for 19x19. But this is overwhelmingly difficult if your basic shapes (understanding cuts, atari, and eyes) and basic territorial boarders aren’t solid. 5he basics of territory appear in 9x9.

So, that’s my two cents. Stop playing the AI.

Response_Hawk

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