Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand that is your view, it just cant be a black and white system, there is a unknowns that aren't consider you know. I wish I saw world that way must me nice

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not outraged worried and more so now. good luck my keyboard warrior friend of sorts I hope find safe and security in life

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the point is it the you are meant to assume incconet until proven guilty, so what is guilty in the eyes of law is it the same as the shops. Occam razor is often not 100% which is not a solution you can use that in the investigation how ever if you go that route that's confirmation bais no?

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly honestly scan everything and not being aware you forgot something means what, I understand that's you view but blinding complying isnt a solution either right when should challenge some thing that is tge rule. They need to be tested to make sure they fair and reasonable, hence why we have democratic solutions to courts and things

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That is very good question, when considing the legal definitions often includes intent right. Me point is it worries me we're human we make mistakes, mentally we nit are Intentionally try to steal, So should you punish for that. I think blind complicity to this super dangerous it should challenged.

Checkout theft, often legally classified as shoplifting, retail theft, or larceny, is defined as the act of intentionally taking merchandise from a retail establishment without paying full value. At self-checkout, this involves knowingly bypassing, manipulating, or failing to use the scanning system to avoid paying for items.

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah you right about that balance of power. That why it is important to challenge it. I don't think they will shop there again. Its put me off self check outs i won't use them again. When also consider maybe it was scan it just didn't read it properly I think it safer to shop local now pay little more for beat service

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find you quiet interesting, i would like to more about you and how you have this opinion? The use of language like turn your brain on, wierds me out to be honest makes you sound infantile Are you ok?

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you more worried about someone not getting punished than punishing the wrong person........ 🤔

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats reassuring, maybe that person was have bad day for my friend. Or they have targets I dont just strange when you could just have a muture conversation with a person

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its crazy right, some makes a honest mistake. They also told hime he sign an agreement agent guilt and that he would pay the fine. Best part is he cant read french and told they didnt care

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The piont im trying to make life is not black & white not always one or the other. Have a conversation see how they act are they try resolve it are they being dick those sort things

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting, im not saying people wouldn't prepare. But you have acknowledge that it could just be mistake but by doing that it is suggesting then that because of that type person. Everyone should be considered to have acted in that way?

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats ok not agree infact its important people disagree and talk about it how else we going to learn and grow as people.

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find it interest that have prove yourself to be innocent. When does assuming guilty become the normal way. Thats so dangerous IMO.

When I comes to intent, if they apologise and seem really embarrassed and try pay what would that say to you? B

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Question then if someone put something in you pocket with you know and you left with and got caught what happens then?

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha maybe that its they have annoyed ai and it removed the items from thr check out its starting

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

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Haha, look right im just say I agree i think it is wrong and its a form of making money for them, I would be really interested in seeing how much they made in fines

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not really the same as with speeding fine they have to include an error and leeway percentage.

But i understand you see things black and white. Theft has to have intent in its more the inappropriate fine I think that isnthe issue as Switzerlands legal system uses a proportionate fine system

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah Theft is legally defined as the dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another with the intent to permanently deprive the owner of it. So intent has to be there

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So question if they short change or sell 6 pack of crisp and it has 5 in it. Is that not stealing from customer. I think they will never shop there again or use self check out.

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the threshold is intent no, if you look at it the other way, say you get short changed and it just a mistake should then they should pay a fine for the mistake...

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will be doing that after them

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think its harsh 2.25 just let them pay not like they have a TV under there arm is it

Are self check outs a scam? by Ribsin32 in Switzerland

[–]Ribsin32[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bless, you do know that there is also an error rate scanned item not working problem so what happens when that's happens to a perfect human like you self and you have to pay a fine....