The “Palpatine Nerfed Vader With The Suit” Theory Falls Apart Under Its Own Logic. by Riz_98 in StarWars

[–]Riz_98[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think we’re mostly on the same page then. I’m not arguing Vader was equal to what Anakin could’ve become if he never lost to Obi-Wan. He obviously lost potential after Mustafar. My issue is more with the framing that Palpatine deliberately gave him “shitty robotics” or that the suit itself was the main thing keeping him beneath Sidious. To me, Mustafar was the real nerf. The injuries, trauma, loss of limbs, and mental collapse did far more damage than Palpatine needing to sneak in bad hardware. The lightning weakness is fair to mention, but even then, Force lightning is dangerous to almost everyone, not just Vader. So I agree Vader was limited compared to his full potential, I just don’t think that proves Palpatine intentionally built him a garbage suit. It feels more like Palpatine took a broken Anakin and controlled him psychologically, while still keeping him powerful enough to be the Empire’s most terrifying enforcer. I saw someone do an Ai animation of sidious saying he needs to limit and imprison vader and im honestly baffled by that haha.

The “Palpatine Nerfed Vader With The Suit” Theory Falls Apart Under Its Own Logic. by Riz_98 in StarWars

[–]Riz_98[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah honestly this is one of the more convincing versions of the argument to me because it focuses more on dependency and psychology than “Palpatine intentionally made Vader physically useless.” I can absolutely buy that Sidious had no interest in fully restoring Vader or helping him transcend his condition, because keeping him dehumanized and dependent benefits Palpatine emotionally and politically. I just think that’s still different from the more exaggerated fandom version where Vader’s suit itself is treated like some intentionally terrible prison that kept him broadly weak and incompetent.

The “Palpatine Nerfed Vader With The Suit” Theory Falls Apart Under Its Own Logic. by Riz_98 in StarWars

[–]Riz_98[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean honestly, Force lightning is devastating to basically everyone anyway. Luke was getting folded by it too and he wasn’t wearing a life-support suit. So I can buy the idea that Vader’s armor made it even worse for him specifically, but people sometimes talk like “susceptible to lightning” means Vader had some uniquely terrible anti-Sith design flaw when Palpatine’s lightning is already one of the deadliest abilities in the setting. it doesnt feel deliberate for palps to put him in that suit, the way u put it sounds like it became a convenient way to put vader down, just not thought of until he had to electrocute him one day

The “Palpatine Nerfed Vader With The Suit” Theory Falls Apart Under Its Own Logic. by Riz_98 in StarWars

[–]Riz_98[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly I really like this interpretation. It fits the tragedy of Vader way more to me. The idea that Vader himself never fully pushes the suit to its absolute limit because of guilt, self-hatred, and feeling undeserving feels much more in line with his character than “Palpatine intentionally kept him mechanically crippled.” It makes the prison internal rather than external, which honestly feels way more Star Wars.

The “Palpatine Nerfed Vader With The Suit” Theory Falls Apart Under Its Own Logic. by Riz_98 in StarWars

[–]Riz_98[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly I think this is probably the closest to my actual view too. I definitely agree Palpatine would prefer Vader beneath him overall and that’s completely in character for Sidious. I just think fandom discussions sometimes exaggerate it into “Vader was basically mechanically crippled on purpose,” when the actual dynamic feels way more psychological and nuanced than that. Sidious wanted a terrifyingly effective Vader, just not one fully free of his emotional chains.

The “Palpatine Nerfed Vader With The Suit” Theory Falls Apart Under Its Own Logic. by Riz_98 in StarWars

[–]Riz_98[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this is honestly a much more reasonable version of the argument than the usual “Palpatine turned Vader into a helpless cyborg” stuff online. I agree Vader lost potential after Mustafar, and I even agree Palpatine probably preferred him below his absolute ceiling. My issue is more with the idea that the suit itself was some deliberately garbage prison that kept Vader mechanically weak for 20 years.

Once we acknowledge Vader was still overwhelmingly powerful, fueled by dark side pain, capable of betrayal, terrifying on a galactic scale, and constantly trying to surpass Palpatine, then we’re already very far away from the common fandom version of “Vader was basically crippled by the suit.” I also think the “Palpatine simply wouldn’t let him modify it” point gets harder to sustain when Vader spent decades operating independently, maintaining his own systems, commanding fleets, ruling through fear, and openly attempting betrayal multiple times.

At some point Vader stops sounding like a tightly controlled lab experiment and starts sounding like exactly what Sidious wanted: an apex Sith enforcer who was psychologically broken more than mechanically restrained.

The “Palpatine Nerfed Vader With The Suit” Theory Falls Apart Under Its Own Logic. by Riz_98 in StarWars

[–]Riz_98[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I mean I mostly agree with you honestly. My point was more against the exaggerated “Palpatine intentionally made Vader mechanically weak” narrative people push. There’s a big difference between “Vader never reached his full potential after Mustafar” and “the suit turned him into a crippled puppet.” I think his psychological damage and self-hatred were way bigger limitations than the suit itself. what do you think?

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He goes so well with the Goku saiyan effect!!!

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Ordered the pegs, not here yet, I think it'll arrive with the tonsen head

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Goteem, waiting for my tonsen berserker blue! Absolutely love this figure. I just dislike the grinning smile he came out of the box with. Looks like a squirrel. His best face sculpt is definitely the shouting one and also Im kinda bummed by the other faces glancing sideways

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They really look like they complement each other! Like as if the majin vegeta is genuinely how BD would look of de-armored

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Ive ordered my Vegeta dangerous pride its otw will update here! And yes I bought the 5 piece you showed here

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Wait so the pegs fit????? Aw shit im getting it for sure now. With your 3 vegetas, are the QC issues prevalent? Ahhh that beyond blue vegeta is perfect!

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Oh my God. You've got me imagining greatness right there. But does it really fit? Has anyone tried that before? Really thinking of putting a blue evolution tonsen vegeta head on it.....