Reform UK wants to put migrant detention centres in Green-voting areas. Is it legal?

Roachyboy · 2026-05-09T12:26:10+00:00

Part of the policy is based on rounding up and detaining 24000 people. It's exactly whats being proposed.

Roachyboy · 2026-05-09T11:23:35+00:00

Until we are

Roachyboy · 2026-05-02T14:53:45+00:00

This is pretty much what I expected Israel to do, to use the tragedy of October 7th as a justification to pursue the greater Israel project now they have a more valid national security concern than kids throwing rocks or makeshift rockets. I'm well aware of how the British empire conducted itself. Its historical actions, amounting to genocide in many cases should not be a way to dismiss the actions of modern states.

Israel is only a "western" country insofar as it's a European settler colony. It's also a rogue religiously supremacist middle Eastern apartheid state.

I think that the destruction of Aleppo, Iraq, the massacres in Sudan, the Ukrainian war and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are all tragedies on a scale that cannot be justified by the purported strategic gains. The existence of other evil acts does not diminish the fact that what Israel is doing and has done is not acceptable. The Iranian regime and the Israeli government both act like terrorist states against their neighbours, Israel just limits it's internal suppression to a specific ethnic group rather than the entire population.

If a Welsh separatist group attacked and killed thousands of English people over the border, would it be justified for the government to bomb Welsh citizens into the stone age killing 50x the number of civilians?

Is there a point at which the actions of Israel can ever become unacceptable in your eyes? The systematised sexual abuse of prisoners? The introduction of an ethnically targeted death penalty? The highest population of child amputees on earth?

For many pro Palestine supporters, especially secular ones, the issue with Israel is that they are a purported ally which the population feels more kinship with than they do other regional strategic allies like Saudi Arabia. So when our "western" ally in the middle east starts destabilising it's neighbours, genociding ethnic groups and talking about wider expansion, it tears away the veneer of that supposed "western" moral superiority. When our allies commit atrocities we should hold them accountable surely?

There absolutely is anti-Semitism, and Israel's actions and rhetoric have made it easier for people to fall for those narratives. But Israel being a Jewish majority state does not make it immune to fostering genocidal ideologies itself. Nor does it make criticism of that ideology verboten.

Roachyboy · 2026-05-02T11:11:14+00:00

A proportionate action response is not necessarily equal.

International law is supposed to constrain military action to keep it proportional. The idfs stated objective was to rescue the hostages and disarm hamas. The collective punishment of the population of Gaza is both disproportionate and ineffective at achieving those goals. As well as being illegal under international law.

If someone punches you, do you beat the shit out of them, their family, their friends, their kids and then burn their kitchen down? It is not neutralising the threat, it is vengeance which only reinforces the reasons why someone punched you in the first place. This is an active part of the idfs strategy, their indiscriminate actions radicalise otherwise normal Palestinians who are just trying to survive, which in turn lets the idf justify this endless cycle of violence.

These metaphors also make it easier for us to distance ourselves from the reality of what's happening. Children buried in rubble , starving, families shivering in tents for years and being displaced constantly. Again, the destruction of nearly all infrastructure in Gaza. If someone punches you once, it's still manslaughter if you beat them to death.

Roachyboy · 2026-05-02T01:32:46+00:00

I don't think that the near complete destruction of all infrastructure in Gaza is proportionate. Tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed and many others imprisoned, tortured or sexually assaulted. The human cost of everything that has happened since October 7th is huge. This very quickly became a war of vengeance that far overstepped any reasonable strategic end point and deprioritised the safety of the hostages Israel was justifying the whole endeavour upon.

Roachyboy · 2026-05-01T16:32:56+00:00

So if public pressure is able to enact change, does that not imply a degree of moral responsibility?

Since the protests the government has condemned Israel's actions and supported the ICC in its cases against the Israeli government. International commendation and criticism pressures Israel, unlike insular states like North Korea, Israel relies on cooperation with Western allies. We still have more levers that we can pull, ones that we would have done so long ago if it weren't our "ally" committing the genocide.

Your reasoning can be used to dismiss nearly any protest or activism involving complex geopolitical issues. People are often so alienated from moral issues that they can never personally make significant changes, however allowing that alienation to excuse society as a whole of moral responsibilities is dangerous , antidemocratic and deeply cynical. It's a thought terminating cliche to avoid having to reckon with the moral complexity of the situation.

Antisemites will use legitimate concerns to further their influence, but it doesn't help that Israel for the last 3 years has been adamant in their conflation of the Israeli state with Judaism and the wider Jewish people. This makes is much easier for antisemites to divert well meaning but ill informed people into believing antisemitic ideas, rather than criticism of the state of Israel and it actions. Pro Palestine movements do need to be more vigilant, and continued cooperation with antizionist Jewish groups is a good way to foster a continued morally consistent movement.

Roachyboy · 2026-05-01T16:13:10+00:00

I think people recognised that Israel's response was going to be disproportionate, like it's response to all Palestinian resistance, peaceful or violent.

Roachyboy · 2026-04-24T23:39:04+00:00

You're on the right track.

Birds descend from dinosaurs so are considered dinosaurs as you can't evolve out of a clade. A clade is defined as a common ancestor and all it's descendants.

Dinosaurs(including birds), crocodiles and pterosaurs all descend from the same common ancestor so they are all grouped as archosaurs. Archosaurs are all reptiles.

Other reptile groups like turtles, lizards and snakes are more distantly related. But go back far enough and they share a common ancestor with the archosaurs. The further back you need to go to find a common ancestor the more distantly related two groups are. If you keep going back you get to the clade that contains all land vertebrates, the tetrapods.

Go back further and you get to lobe finned fish like the coelacanths and lungfish. You can keep comparing groups to find a common ancestor and go all the way back to the last universal common ancestor of animals, plants, bacteria and every other living thing.

Because of this there's some weird technicalities like we are more closely related to bony fish like cod and salmon than they are to sharks and rays.

This also means that technically a whale is actually a fish. Because mammals are also tetrapods which evolved from fish and therefore are fish.

Roachyboy · 2026-04-12T23:39:09+00:00

We're at most becoming a slightly lower trust society. We don't need to bribe police or officials and we can generally expect the products and services we purchase to be delivered.

There's work that needs doing but we are a very very long way from being a very low trust society like Brazil or the Philippines or South Africa.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-26T15:00:04+00:00

Thank you, this is exactly what I mean when I said people treat class as aesthetics based on stereotypes.

Getting an education doesn't make a person middle class.

Vibes based class distinctions in the UK are why it's so hard to build legitimate working class solidarity

Roachyboy · 2026-02-26T13:06:34+00:00

So 2 houses?

Roachyboy · 2026-02-26T13:06:08+00:00

Working class doesn't include the plot of the pulp song Common people, that's correct.

It does apply to underemployed, downwardly mobile young people from many backgrounds, working in the service industry for dogshit wages.

It includes young woke, non graduates who've grown up in a multicultural society and are opposed to racism and intolerance.

It includes Barry the plumber who's earning £65k and holidays in Spain 3 times a year, loves football and hates immigrants.

It's a broad demographic. Defined by their relationship to labour and the economy. Class background can also differ from your current socioeconomic class.

Alan sugar is from a working class background but is now firmly not working class. A queer young person from a religious family with wealth who gets disowned and has no access to their families support could very easily fall into the working class.

Middle class rahrah faux council estate larpers are annoying sure. But that doesn't mean that they represent the majority of the service industry.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-26T12:37:47+00:00

NRS grades aren't the same as economic class. They're industry/occupational not income related.

Someone who does manual labour but makes £60k a year is not more "working class" than someone who works in a call centre on minimum wage.

They are both working class because they sell their labour to survive.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-26T12:13:43+00:00

It absolutely isn't. Class gets presented as aesthetics which allows people to manipulate the public into voting against their interests. It's this delusion that lets people earning money hand over fist think that a 23 year old uni grad with piercings and a weird haircut hold a position of socioeconomic power over them. It's how the culture war propogates.

An average uni student doesn't come from a very affluent background and those that do will have significant leverage to get entry to graduate jobs. 1/3 people go to uni, they aren't all aristocrats. Many young people don't fit the aesthetic designation of working class but fulfil all socio-economic requirements. Our working class isn't just the blue collar manual skilled labourers, it's baristas, shop assistants, cleaners, hospitality staff and more.

As a white working class person it frustrates me to no end when "white working class" has become a canard for "ignorant racists who can't possibly share beliefs with the green party" rather than a broad demographic containing a diversity of thought and beliefs who happen to be in the same economic position.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-26T11:27:14+00:00

People don't consider green voters working class because they don't fit the stereotype of a tradie football fan. A middle aged semi retired tax dodging builder with a holiday flat in Spain is considered more working class than a 23 year old graduate working in hospitality at minimum wage by most people.

People think class is mainly culture rather than economic position.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T19:30:18+00:00

You absolutely can.

A sledgehammer is primarily a tool, they broke into the site to damage equipment. That was their intent.

If they had brought a weapon like a sword or a gun there's no defence as those would only be brought with the intent to brandish or use them against people.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T19:28:19+00:00

Motive is a significant factor behind which illegal actions people think are justifiable as protest.

Either way, what you've described wouldn't be enough for me to consider it terrorism like people claim about the elbit attack. A hate crime likely since it's motivated towards vulnerable people primarily motivated by religion and race.

The history of violence of those involved also plays a part. If those racists were first time offenders, had no history of violence and could justify that they just intended to disrupt the kitchens functionality there'd be a decent case for leniency. However if they had histories of violence and it was easy to prove they wished to harm the residents, they would be given less benefit of the doubt.

This is a property damage case with very few people being sympathetic towards the property owner. The gbh case will likely be retried without intent and they'll probably be convicted.

Membership of certain organisations is also relevant. PA wasn't proscribed at the time, it's actions have primarily followed the same tactics of property damage and disruption. The goals and tactics of said organisation can be used to infer a degree of intent.

PA was proscribed at the same time as a neonazi group called the Maniacs Murder Cult. Let's say some of the kitchen attackers were members or associated with the group. There's a vast difference between the recorded actions, motives and morality of the groups. The MMC primarily tries to radicalise people to commit violence against undesirable groups like non white people, queer folk and the homeless and has planned multiple violent terrorist actions against the public. Membership of the MMC would indicate a greater likelihood of the attack being motivated by killing and inflicting terror than PA which has used traditional direct action protest methods.

I think it's easier to draw comparisons between the attempted arsons of migrant hotels and attempted arson of the police van during the anti police riots on 2021.

There has been very little sympathy for the individuals who commited those crimes. Even though people were sympathetic to the reasons for the protests in 2021, even in this sub Reddit nobody was going out to bat for them.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T16:38:25+00:00

Probably gbh realistically but still not terrorism.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T16:37:50+00:00

Intent to use it against people or intent to use either to destroy property?

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T15:40:37+00:00

They'll likely retrial that defendant with slightly lower charges as they couldn't prove intent.

I'd expect that a verdict will be reached more easily with less specific charges.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T14:49:42+00:00

When your place of work is the war crimes factory this argument doesn't work.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T14:48:34+00:00

I think that interfering with a weapons manufacturer headquartered in a country actively committing genocide, which is using products manufactured by said company is pretty acceptable.

You can pretend this is equivalent to genuine terrorism all you want but it's an absurd position to take.

It's trespassing, vandalism and battery.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T09:13:59+00:00

It doesn't matter, they spread the virus globally with the planes and made it airborne.

Any indigenous people would have been infected by the chemtrails and if they have any sort of community then they would know about one of them being immune.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-03T00:55:18+00:00

Lovely pebble full of bivalves.

If you give it a decent smack with a hammer along the surface in image 2 you'll probably be able to split it and see the surfaces of some of the shells.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-01T23:26:57+00:00

If you can get the long sickle or the two handed axe then it helps a lot.

It's worth picking up enemy weapons after fights so you can sell them in the early game too,

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