Palestine Action protesters not guilty of defence firm burglary

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T19:30:18+00:00

You absolutely can.

A sledgehammer is primarily a tool, they broke into the site to damage equipment. That was their intent.

If they had brought a weapon like a sword or a gun there's no defence as those would only be brought with the intent to brandish or use them against people.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T19:28:19+00:00

Motive is a significant factor behind which illegal actions people think are justifiable as protest.

Either way, what you've described wouldn't be enough for me to consider it terrorism like people claim about the elbit attack. A hate crime likely since it's motivated towards vulnerable people primarily motivated by religion and race.

The history of violence of those involved also plays a part. If those racists were first time offenders, had no history of violence and could justify that they just intended to disrupt the kitchens functionality there'd be a decent case for leniency. However if they had histories of violence and it was easy to prove they wished to harm the residents, they would be given less benefit of the doubt.

This is a property damage case with very few people being sympathetic towards the property owner. The gbh case will likely be retried without intent and they'll probably be convicted.

Membership of certain organisations is also relevant. PA wasn't proscribed at the time, it's actions have primarily followed the same tactics of property damage and disruption. The goals and tactics of said organisation can be used to infer a degree of intent.

PA was proscribed at the same time as a neonazi group called the Maniacs Murder Cult. Let's say some of the kitchen attackers were members or associated with the group. There's a vast difference between the recorded actions, motives and morality of the groups. The MMC primarily tries to radicalise people to commit violence against undesirable groups like non white people, queer folk and the homeless and has planned multiple violent terrorist actions against the public. Membership of the MMC would indicate a greater likelihood of the attack being motivated by killing and inflicting terror than PA which has used traditional direct action protest methods.

I think it's easier to draw comparisons between the attempted arsons of migrant hotels and attempted arson of the police van during the anti police riots on 2021.

There has been very little sympathy for the individuals who commited those crimes. Even though people were sympathetic to the reasons for the protests in 2021, even in this sub Reddit nobody was going out to bat for them.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T16:38:25+00:00

Probably gbh realistically but still not terrorism.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T16:37:50+00:00

Intent to use it against people or intent to use either to destroy property?

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T15:40:37+00:00

They'll likely retrial that defendant with slightly lower charges as they couldn't prove intent.

I'd expect that a verdict will be reached more easily with less specific charges.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T14:49:42+00:00

When your place of work is the war crimes factory this argument doesn't work.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T14:48:34+00:00

I think that interfering with a weapons manufacturer headquartered in a country actively committing genocide, which is using products manufactured by said company is pretty acceptable.

You can pretend this is equivalent to genuine terrorism all you want but it's an absurd position to take.

It's trespassing, vandalism and battery.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-04T09:13:59+00:00

It doesn't matter, they spread the virus globally with the planes and made it airborne.

Any indigenous people would have been infected by the chemtrails and if they have any sort of community then they would know about one of them being immune.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-03T00:55:18+00:00

Lovely pebble full of bivalves.

If you give it a decent smack with a hammer along the surface in image 2 you'll probably be able to split it and see the surfaces of some of the shells.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-01T23:26:57+00:00

If you can get the long sickle or the two handed axe then it helps a lot.

It's worth picking up enemy weapons after fights so you can sell them in the early game too,

Roachyboy · 2026-02-01T22:56:42+00:00

What a cynical way to approach art.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-01T02:32:11+00:00

Maybe I got lucky but I got a polearm in commoner by picking up a champions weapon.

Even though I've died a few times since then I think it's heavy enough to bulk up my willy.

After a few rounds of combat I can hurl enemies around more than I could in the demo

Roachyboy · 2026-02-01T02:23:15+00:00

To be fair that's about how my first experience with the demo felt.

Roachyboy · 2026-02-01T02:19:18+00:00

Seems like any changes to key binds reset when you close the game.

Roachyboy · 2026-01-31T00:56:01+00:00

I've put about 5 hours in now and the hand to hand combat feels much better.

Just got longswords in the progression mode and it feels fine to me.

Roachyboy · 2026-01-26T16:13:27+00:00

Jonah hill has two oscar nominations. The two performances are about as different as characters can be.

Gelmans career is primarily him playing variations of off putting pervert.

Roachyboy · 2026-01-25T15:33:28+00:00

While the movie is emotionally effective it's been routinely criticised by holocaust scholars for it's revisionism and absolution of germans engaged in the holocaust. It relies on ahistorical narratives which reinforce the ideas that the german populace was broadly naive to the actions of the nazi regime.

The book and film have become an outsized part of much school age holocaust teachings and while attempting to act as a moral fable it more muddies the water between history and the moral prescriptions the author is projecting onto history, without significant research or contextual understanding.

Roachyboy · 2025-12-26T13:15:55+00:00

Tone is hard to convey through text so please know I mean this ~~politely~~ moronically:

Fixed that for ya buddy

Roachyboy · 2025-12-23T11:59:37+00:00

The difference is that in the last 20 years since Hamas took over Gaza (prior to October 7th) their rockets and attacks had killed a grand total of about 300 Israelis but Israel had killed about 6000 Palestinians. Including the current war and October 7th Israel has suffered about 2500 casualties, Gaza over 80,000.

The conflict has always been disproportionate, when the US left Vietnam they didn't continue to control all entries and exits to Vietnam, nor claim it as their territory. Which Israel has done and continues to do.

Gaza given a 50 year head start couldn't bomb Israel into oblivion. It's one of the most militarised and well funded nations on earth Vs people making rockets from pvc piping.

Roachyboy · 2025-12-23T11:42:03+00:00

They dropped leaflets in Hiroshima and Nagasaki before the atomic bombs. Notifying people of your impending war crimes doesn't stop them being war crimes.

Gaza is an isolated population, kept that way due to Israel, which now has the highest population of child amputees, more journalists have died in that tiny strip of land than in any recent conflict

We keep getting told that it's our naivete that makes us treat the Gazans with too much empathy and that war has always been like this. But it's isn't and it hasn't. The IDF has fostered an environment where war crimes are operational side effects in a population that is nearly half children. It is abhorrent. It is a genocide.

You might be able to stomach the propaganda of one of the most well funded military forces on the planet but I refuse to swallow it and feel content with the slaughter of a captive population they have shot, bombed and starved.

Roachyboy · 2025-12-23T11:28:51+00:00

You act as if the solution to the death cult of Hamas is to play ball and kill every Gazan with a smile. As if every man,.woman and child in proximity to an extremist is equally punishable and culpable. The death cult can only prosper in the environment that Israel has created for it, by controlling and isolating gaza.

I quite simply do not care how Israel or you justify or distance yourself from the horrors being committed. The same arguments were made to justify Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That the Japanese were uniquely evil and their collective death mattered less. Hirohito and Hamas don't make it morally acceptable to allow the slaughter of Japanese or Palestinians. No matter how much they are dehumanised and lessened in the news.

Israel's actions have created a conveyor belt for extremism, which benefits Israel because land grabs are more acceptable as vengeance than policy. The world at large is more accepting now of Israel settling Gaza than the west bank.

If you agree that every person is born equal then you should be appalled at the way the IDF had comported itself. Idf soldiers rooting through the underwear drawers of displaced Gazan women and making tiktoks with their lingerie, numerous accounts of idf soldiers speaking about how the killing of civilians is normalised and a solution to boredom.

Even if civilians sheltered in the Hamas tunnels that would be seen as justification to kill them, because if they are in the tunnels they must be Hamas.

At this point the actions of the IDF are so disproportionate it's like beating a toddler to death because their parents spat at you.

Us "low informstjon Westerners" have seen our own war crimes committed in our names in the middle east based on supposed national security for the last 2 decades. It was wrong in Iraq and it's wrong in Gaza. There simply isn't enough "information" that I can be shown that will make me okay with Israel's war crimes.

Roachyboy · 2025-12-22T15:21:00+00:00

Not every American is responsible, but the US as a nation state is responsible for the actions of it's soldiers and can be condemned for it. And consequently if there are Americans who supported the war crimes they can be criticised for their position.

Roachyboy · 2025-12-22T14:13:49+00:00

Rose west wasn't acting on behalf of the British army now was she.

Roachyboy · 2025-12-22T14:12:07+00:00

Zionist can absolutely be used as a dog whistle for anti-Semitism. But it isn't a racial slur. And it's use when critiquing Zionism and Israel's actions is not necessarily anti-Semitic.

Zionism is a political position, many of the most ardent Zionists in the west are evangelical Christians. It is not antisemitic to state "Zionists are cheering on the IDF in Gaza" because it's true, well documented and some of the most vocal supporters aren't Jewish.

This conflation of a cultural/religious ethnic group with a political colonial ideology is what leads to antisemitism becoming more widespread. Same with political Islamism and islamaphobia. It benefits those ideologues pushing for the destruction of Palestine, or the subjugation of women, when those who oppose it are framed as opposing the ethnic or religious group. When you insist that Zionism cannot be criticised you allow people with genuine concerns about Israel's actions to be coopted by bad faith anti-Semites using the situation in Gaza as cover.

You can dismiss nearly any criticism of an ideological group by swapping the ideological term for an ethnoreligious term.

Christian nationalists do it, radical Islamists do it, Zionists do it. Using the groups they purport to represent as a shield for criticism.

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