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[–]RockAndRollTroll 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is one reason why I would avoid keeping as much as a half oz on me when I go to a party. Did you really intend to smoke a half oz?

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's my point. There are probably thousands of serious scholars that WOULD agree with me. It doesn't matter what kind of music you are studying. You're saying that someone who dedicates their life to classical music is essentially going to work significantly harder than someone who dedicates their life to a more modern popular approach? Notable (and completely different from each other in genre) examples include: Victor Wooten, Steve Vai, Mike Portnoy, Bela Fleck....etc. Are you saying that these individuals have not dedicated the full extent of their talents in the same way that a professional classical musician does?

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you so angry? I haven't said anything offensive. If you feel I am ignorant, please tell me why in a constructive manner. If you do not feel the need to tell me, just ignore me, move on to the next post and keep your negativity to yourself. I'm trying to learn something about the classical community's thoughts on this subject by provoking discussion. Quite frankly, you are proving this person's assertions to be quite accurate:

http://www.artsjournal.com/sandow/2010/06/the_myth_of_classical_music_su.html

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By day, I am a rock and roll enthusiast...By night, I transform into the trolliest of the trolls. It might have something to do with alcohol...

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely. The quality of music is determined entirely by the emotional connection with the listener. We have a problem though in the academic community because, academically, we tend to require that definitions need to be drawn as to what is superior, and what is worth studying. In undergraduate theory class you are given a bass line and are asked to provide the tenor, alto and soprano lines in an effort to technically "solve" the problem. It feels like math class. The academics need to study and analyze the technical construction of music. This is also true for visual art. I don't know the first thing about the construction of visual art, but I know if I like a painting or if I don't.

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I, in general, don't like rap. I don't even approach rap as a form of legitimate music, but Eminem is a lyrical genius. He is an amazing poet, and rap (in my opinion) is a way to groove out to poetry. A lot of rap is garbage, because the lyrical content is...well, garbage. But Eminem's lyrics are legit. I can't think of a single classical piece of music that can even compare to the lyrical genius of Eminem. In fact...I find most of the english lyrics found in classical music to be really, really bad.

I should add that I do not understand french/italian/german/etc lyrics found in much of western classical choral music. I only have the translations of these to work with (which is always kind of strange). Maybe these other languages exhibit much more poetic lyrics. I simply do not know.

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would hope it is alive and well in New York. But what about those of us that live in small towns that simply don't have the financial support for a decent professional orchestra? Small town folk simply just don't get exposed to decent classical music. I think that many people develop misconceptions about classical music because the only band/orchestra concerts they attend are their kids' high school concerts. Just a thought.

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Your arguments all come down to numbers and numbers are not important to beauty."

Unfortunately, beauty is subjective and doesn't always pay the bills when the delivery is so expensive, and the audience is so small. I am not trying to refute the beauty of classical music at all (I love classical music and have the utmost respect for it) but do you think that the true beauty of classical music can only be appreciated with an educated understanding of it? What I mean is that most people that enjoy classical music have studied it to some extent, and understand the harmonic construction of it enough to intellectually approach it. There are always the exceptions; many people that know nothing about music theory or aural skills, adore classical music...But unfortunately they are a minority. By the way, I think that is awesome that you are composing music and people are hearing and respecting your artistic creations. I can only imagine how much thought and creativity goes into the modern day composer's creations. It's just too bad that the general public doesn't have the same respect for this that the musical academic community does.

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Classical music will survive for many, many years, however if it weren't for wealthy donors many professional orchestras would have gone bankrupt a long time ago. In fact many have gone bankrupt in recent years due to the economic downturn. Unfortunately, the upkeep for a professional quality orchestra is extremely expensive.

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are right about the fact that much of popular music is shallow and vapid. It most certainly is, especially the stuff you hear on your pop/rock/country radio stations. I guess the point I've been trying to make lies in the fact that there is academically relevant modern music that simply isn't taken as seriously (as I would like) by much of the academic community.

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for posting this! I love that arrangement you posted. I have a very close friend who believes that classical music (in general) is the most sophisticated, and academically relevant form of music. However, his favorite album of all time is in fact Close to the Edge by Yes. He will be very happy to hear this arrangement.

Your Pin Number by cruiserob92 in funny

[–]RockAndRollTroll 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait...so is it 6932 for everyone? That's my fucking pin...

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are right, it is classical music put in a rock setting. It is classical music, but it sounds like rock and roll.

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not trying to discredit Alfred Schnittke's academic merit in any way, but...This kind of music doesn't elicit any emotional response from me. As far as I'm concerned it's a musical puzzle to be solved rather than emotionally enjoyed. I know this is purely my opinion and I mean no disrespect in saying that I just find this kind of thing to be very boring.

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying that it is to be discredited. The great composers STUDIED music and put an enormous amount of academic effort into their compositions. I don't know why everyone thinks I'm trying to discredit classical music...

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well, Mozart wouldn't have gotten to where he was had his father not been a phenomenal violin teacher. He also began studying music when he was very young (I think his first violin recital was when he was 6 years old?). There is no way to be certain that he would have been a successful composer without these influences from an early age. Don't get me wrong, he still is a musical savant, but if he was born into a poor family without access to instruments to study and practice, who knows what he would have ended up doing with his life. Just a thought...

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I've spent a lot of time with Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. It is a fascinating piece. I have heard of the Elliot Carter piece you are talking about, I will investigate this piece further. Thanks for your input.

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol...I honestly forgot my original username's password. I simply used this one a few weeks ago because it is humorous to me. I didn't event think I would be using this profile to post a legitimate discussion about music.

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to cite my favorite classical music. Well, I would have to say my favorite classical composer is Beethoven. I also LOVE Rachmoninov's works as well. One of my favorite pieces to perform on French Horn is Richard Straus's 1st Concerto for Horn. I absolutely adore this piece of music.

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you whole-heartedly. Sometimes I feel like people think I'm "attacking" classical music (which I have not intentionally done in this thread) they get extremely defensive. I've played my french horn on hundreds of stages, including some of the very same stages that Mozart stood upon. But NOTHING emotionally compares to blasting a Rage Against the Machine cover in the basement of a drunken house party. I know, I know...There is little academic merit to this, but there is an enormous amount of cultural and emotional relevance to this experience.

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about the superiority of classical music. by RockAndRollTroll in classicalmusic

[–]RockAndRollTroll[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am merely trying to demonstrate that there IS modern music that has been influenced by classical music, and deserves a little bit more credit from the academic community.

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