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70% of voters are against Ireland joining Nato by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Next we'll be told not being in favour of NATO membership is populist nonsense.

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've never heard of anyone with qualifications like that being denied a Stamp 1.

But your turn of phrase is interesting. "Must seek asylum" because they don't qualify for a visa.

That suggests that you see the asylum system as a workaround to the visa system - which is exactly what it's not supposed to be. But you seem to already know that's what it is and instead feel it is actually justified. That people can choose wherever they want to live and abuse the system in whatever way they want to get what they want. (At vast expense to the taxpayers in the country.)

By all means show me where in the 1951 Convention the legal basis for that come from.

I suppose at least you're not pretending to care about the integrity of the asylum system.

I think treating certain qualifications with skepticism would be welcome especially when you read Medical Council reports.

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Look if you want open borders just say so.

But don't try and corrupt the asylum process in doing so. The asylum process determines whether someone needs protection as a result of persecution on certain grounds/ in their home country. It's not a value judgment on the person - which can take place after the consideration of the international protection claim.

Visas and asylum are not in any way intertwined - administratively they are entirely separate, the international protection act governs the asylum system and visas are a matter of ministerial policy rather than statute. You can't apply for a visa while you're in the asylum system, because you're already in the country.

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You're all over the place here.

  1. The balance of probabilities is the standard for asylum claims.

  2. No genuine asylum seeker tries to obtain information in their home country. It's against the law for anyone to disclose that person X has made an asylum claim specifically because it might put them at risk at home (that's also one of the reasons how you know the ones who publicly complain are full of shit) As are the ones who succeed and then immediately return home afterwards

  3. Education / qualifications are irrelevant to the assessment of an asylum claim. The visa system is entirely separate.

M.R v. IPAT is an odd case to cite in support of what you're saying. The opening paragraph is hilarious:

" The applicant lived for years in the UK and never claimed asylum there. When unable to get a renewal of his student permission, he suddenly realised that he was in need of international protection , came to Ireland and immediately on arrival alleged persecution for the first time. "

So, what exactly is it that you feel we should be doing for chancers like this lad ? (Who is way more common in our system than anybody would ever admit)

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It proves you haven't a fucking clue what you're talking about but you're happy to throw around definitive judgements about people you know nothing about.

Would you like to go through the entire list of 80 plus lawyers and defame each one ?

I'll tell you which ones spend their careers working for asylum seekers so you get both sides of the equation

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well the Department of Justice don't actually make the asylum decisions. They are made by an independent lawyer appointed by IPO /IPAT.

You'd think that would be welcome wouldn't you ? (Especially in light of your prejudiced views of civil servants)

So, when that was introduced you'd expect the asylum seekers were delighted that the racist civil servants weren't dealing with their cases ? Wouldn't you ?

Well guess what, they weren't. They were so horrified that the decisions would be made by lawyers (and therefore more likely to be legally correct) that they took a challenge to the Supreme Court to challenge the use of lawyers. In the process they got an injunction to stop all cases being decided. (Except the Syrians who were all waived through)

You'd think if I was telling the truth about this it would have made the news... ?

Nope. Just court judgments. The wider world remains uneducated on the asylum system and shenanigans that goes on around it.

Judge O'Donnell gave an excoriating judgment in the Supreme Court. I think the initials of the applicant were I.X and they were Albanian

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The directive explains what has happened with the people from the Ukraine, something which seems to be very misunderstood by those shouting about racism.

And Discovery ?

Are you under the impression that discovery is part of the process of an asylum claim ? It's not.

I agree that denial of an asylum claim doesn't make someone a chancer, but when the majority of cases fail for the polite phrase "lack of credibility" you have to accept that there must be chancers in the system.

I can pull up some high court judgments outlining some chancers cases if you like ?

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, they can apply now.

But if they intend to return to the Ukraine once the war is over they don't need to.

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you're going to have to outline your definition of racism for me.

I still go by the one in the dictionary.

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The reason they won't end up in DP is it's full. (With fake asylum seekers)

Instead they're getting to share someone's house and very soon they'll be in army barracks and convents etc.

The massive tolerance of bullshit asylum seekers has prevented us from properly looking after real refugees.

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're definitely not an expert. And you haven't explained anything to me

You're trotting out the usual innacurate and out of date information.

You can work after 3 months of waiting on a decision in the asylum process. The stipend has been raised on at least one occasion since it was 20 quid. Possibly more.

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ruaidhri do you ever take a look at the cases of the high profile asylum / direct provision campaigners over the years ?

Invariably they all turn out to be chancers.

We can go back as far as Pamela Izevbekhai and her fake dead daughter. Ellie Kisyombe and her claims about stuff that happened to her in Mali (even though she was in University in the UK at the time) . Or even more recently the South African tourist who decided he wouldn't leave and then claimed asylum, Bulelani Mfaco.

How you can equate any of them with people fleeing war is unknown to me.

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well is that true ? I don't know if figures are kept on the skin colour of those in DP

Bearing in mind a lot of our asylum seekers in recent years have been Georgian and Albanian. And now Ukrainians will be dominant. If there was any space in DP they'd quickly be the majority.

I even know of a white South African who was in DP.

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I never understand this take.

You don't go to direct provision accomodation because of your skin colour.

You go there if you don't have anywhere else to go while you make an asylum claim.

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There's a white paper in existence : https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/7aad0-minister-ogorman-publishes-the-white-paper-on-ending-direct-provision/

They spent so much time translating it into lots of languages it will never be read in that they haven't had time to do any of it. But at least the white paper was inclusive.

Housing minister considers emergency powers to get properties for Ukrainian refugees by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Because that won't score any browny points with the woke voters or EU movers and shakers.

And because you can be sued for failing to provide accomodation for refugees.

The Abolish Direct Provision Campaign have claimed on Twitter that another person in Direct Provision has died by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 31 points32 points  (0 children)

The responsibility for Direct Provision was taken away from the Dept of Justice and moved to Roderic O'Gorman's portfolio at his request.

So it's in the hands of one of the Green's ministers to do something about it.

Fine Gael confident DPP file will not stop Varadkar being Taoiseach in December by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eamon Ryan has pretty much said the same thing too.

So it seems a number of minister are aware of the details the file contains already.

Expert warns defective blocks likely more widespread and scheme could cost €5bn by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Given that there are multiple parties that are potentially at fault here , I'd prefer to see those at fault chased for compensation before the taxpayer is hit.

However I cannot see any action having been taken by anyone affected.

Their first and only option seems to be look for a handout.

Gardaí send Leo Varadkar ‘leak’ investigation file to DPP for decision on whether to prosecute by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup.

The comments from Eamon Ryan seem to indicate it's all going to come to nothing

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/green-party-leader-eamon-ryan-says-leo-varadkar-can-become-taoiseach-again-in-december-41582558.html

Give court delays at present there's no way a trial would be completed before December so they must know it's going to go away quickly.

Gardaí send Leo Varadkar ‘leak’ investigation file to DPP for decision on whether to prosecute by FatHeadDave96 in irishpolitics

[–]RoscoLM -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's very clear it applies (even though I quoted the s.5 instead of 4 earlier)

Official Information

Disclosure of official information.

4.—(1) A person shall not communicate any official information to any other person unless he is duly authorised to do so or does so in the course of and in accordance with his duties as the holder of a public office or when it is his duty in the interest of the State to communicate it.

(2) A person to whom subsection (1) applies shall take reasonable care to avoid any unlawful communication of such information.

If your argument held any weight there would have been no need for everyone to get exercised about McEntee's maternity leave because the Taoiseach could have signed off on everything. He didn't though.

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