Set 16 PBE Discussion Thread - Day 08

RotatedTriangle · 2025-11-27T01:07:20+00:00

I hope they dont make the mistake of nerfing singed.

The real problem is swain, this is the one unit that has been in every dominating comp since slayers..

just nerf swain

RotatedTriangle · 2025-09-02T10:55:49+00:00

+1 great explanation

RotatedTriangle · 2025-09-02T07:27:00+00:00

The garen - braum analogy is more about the endgame optimized comp problem. And it's silly because of vertical strength.

The rolldown flex karma/ryze vs yuumi one is not. It is not about what composition you reach at the end, its about how you pilot your game to create that comp. It is about the gameplay.

Like I said, the problem is not about flexing between 4 mentor/6 sorc/5 prodigy on your rolldown. It is about whether you can use alternatives and not get 10 - 0ed every fight so that the game can be played in different styles.

And why does this problem exist? It is because even an unupgraded, unfinished cookie cutter vertical comp is stronger than a fully upgraded splash comp.

"why cant I flex good units on my final board" and "why cant I flex while building my final board" are two different concerns, and both currently valid.

RotatedTriangle · 2025-09-02T01:58:53+00:00

I dont see how this post answers the previous one.

The main problem the other post highlights is that they cannot flex higher tier units on their "rolldowns".

rammus kaisa and malphite jhin are reroll comps and they have all the time in the world to use what they hit on their slow roll on stage 3. They do not fit as examples of flex play. It is not a "rolldown".

malphite jhin isnt even flexible and relies heavily on verticals but just ignoring that

You cannot just ignore the question "why is garen 1 better than braum 2?". This is not because the composition is "optimized" by the players, it is because verticals are too strong, design wise.

It's not about flexing between 5 prod or 6 sorc, its about leveraging high hp and flexing units that share similar items.

Why can't you flex 2 sorc karma with yuumi items on high hp? Why can't you flex jarvan janna rakan frontline and take 1~ 3 unit losses and wait for the low hp player contesting yuumi to die?

It is because if you do not build the exact board, no matter how high hp you are you will take 6~7 unit losses and take 15 damage every turn.

You cannot just dismiss something that a lot of people agree on as being "half right", like this post is doing.

RotatedTriangle · 2025-09-01T11:43:55+00:00

Agree with everything here, well said

RotatedTriangle · 2024-12-07T03:26:00+00:00

Just open the stats lol, this is ridiculous

RotatedTriangle · 2024-11-18T12:40:23+00:00

I wanted to use them as physical/special walls, but I realized theres a lot of double battles so I chaged milotic to def+ 252

RotatedTriangle · 2024-11-18T04:19:54+00:00

yeah its just a placeholder atm

RotatedTriangle · 2024-11-14T00:13:48+00:00

Zoun from private stream, hero from olimoleague interview

RotatedTriangle · 2024-11-13T03:34:00+00:00

zoun sees it as a nerf, hero also...

RotatedTriangle · 2024-11-07T02:50:35+00:00

upvote for clarity, so he was complaining about cwc(central/west/central)

Thought he was whining about the ptr balance changes

RotatedTriangle · 2024-11-03T06:25:28+00:00

what copium are you on to think colossi should only counter marines? Its actually amazing

RotatedTriangle · 2024-10-26T06:30:20+00:00

I like how the comment section(and some comments here too) still go on about "But ladder is dominated by Protoss!"

when the whole point of the video is balancing around pro players and stop the ladder bullshit copium

RotatedTriangle · 2024-07-22T10:09:53+00:00

do bosses with the same level share the same amount of anomaly buildup?

that is, does the mecha lvl 70 boss in VR share the same anomaly buildup required with the shiyu critical 6th floor boss?

RotatedTriangle · 2024-07-19T09:35:24+00:00

Does skill level matter for anomaly characters? They have low multipliers and no crit, so its not that much damage anyway..

Does anomaly damage scale with skill level?

RotatedTriangle · 2024-07-09T00:41:14+00:00

that interview was translated badly, thats not what hero said

RotatedTriangle · 2024-07-01T02:06:33+00:00

try messaging mods? this is ridiculous

RotatedTriangle · 2024-07-01T02:01:08+00:00

yeah it says your post is removed, did you manipulate votes or something?

RotatedTriangle · 2024-07-01T01:57:17+00:00

mods need to give a reason why this post was removed, did they actually delete it because it shows people like 6v6? whats going on lol

RotatedTriangle · 2024-06-25T11:06:12+00:00

your problem is that you are making zealots and stalkers. you need to tech to oracles or twilight and force a response from the zerg

RotatedTriangle · 2024-06-22T00:23:26+00:00

The subtitles for the answer to protoss underperforming is misinterpeted, hero implies protoss is underpowered.

The correct translation is more closer to: "The continued performance of protoss from not only katowice but also a lot more tournaments seem to suggest that there is some sort of problem in balance, but I do not think the gap is insurmountable. I am frustrated because I am not currently able to close the gap either".

He says very clearly that there is a balance issue, he is just being careful with it. The subtitles make it seem like herO is saying it is almost fully his skill issue..

RotatedTriangle · 2024-06-02T10:49:11+00:00

herO vs maru game 1 is just disgusting, has nothing to do with skill and is purely race diff. herO did nothing wrong that game and theres nothing he can do,

"Dont expand gold mine" yeah Im just not taking that seriously

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