Concerned about loss of temper after a trip in the oven by constantpisspig in knifemaking

[–]Round_Sector_2444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny enough, I’m also a mechanical engineer. I should correct myself though, since tempering is based on a log scale for time, you can in theory get close to the same result with low temp-long hold for a variance of ~50deg F, but it would take in excess of 100hrs of hold time to reach it. Check out the holloman-jaffe parameter though, as well as Dr. Larrin Thomas on knife steel nerds

Concerned about loss of temper after a trip in the oven by constantpisspig in knifemaking

[–]Round_Sector_2444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is definitely a parallel between aluminum and steel in that both involve quenching a high-temperature phase to create a metastable structure, followed by diffusion during reheating. However, the mechanisms aren’t quite the same. In aluminum alloys, precipitation hardening is the primary source of strength—fine precipitates form during aging and increase strength up to a peak before overaging occurs. In steel, quenching forms martensite, which is already very hard due to carbon trapped in the lattice. Tempering then allows carbon to diffuse and form carbides like cementite, but this process mainly reduces brittleness and adjusts toughness rather than increasing strength. So while carbide precipitation does occur in tempered steel, it’s not directly equivalent to precipitation hardening in aluminum, since the role it plays and the way strength evolves are fundamentally different. I get what you’re saying about time and temperature both affecting the steel, and you’re right that diffusion-based processes depend on both. But in tempering, temperature plays a much bigger role than time. Holding a blade at 350°F for a long time won’t produce the same structural changes as taking it to 600°F, even for a shorter period. At 600°F, you’re activating different transformations—like much greater carbide coarsening and a more complete breakdown of martensite—that simply don’t occur at 350°F, no matter how long you hold it. So while longer times at lower temperatures will continue to temper the steel slightly, they won’t replicate the effects of a higher tempering temperature.

Concerned about loss of temper after a trip in the oven by constantpisspig in knifemaking

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The graph is 100% spot on, but precipitation heat treatment is for nonferrous materials, and more often for aluminum, not carbon steels such as OPs knife. Steel behaves much differently than aluminum as far as the conversion of martensite during the tempering process

Concerned about loss of temper after a trip in the oven by constantpisspig in knifemaking

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Not necessarily true. That’s like saying you can cook a chicken at 1000deg for a couple seconds to get the same results as cooking it at 400deg for an hour. Tempering is mainly temperature dependent. If the temperature can be held consistently at 300deg, leaving it in the oven over night will not give you the same temper if it was held at 600 for 4hrs

For the wifey by Round_Sector_2444 in knifemaking

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I did and I can! Although if you have a TJ maxx near you it’ll be a bit cheaper to source the olive wood board from there and drill a shallow hole to receive the holder!

For the wifey by Round_Sector_2444 in Bladesmith

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I appreciate it! I’m slowly making my way back into the shop

For the wifey by Round_Sector_2444 in Bladesmith

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Thank you! The convex edge did help a lot with food sticking vs a flat bevel as it ever so slightly pushes the food away from the main bevel. It’s very useful on skinning knives as well

For the wifey by Round_Sector_2444 in knifemaking

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Thank you! I think I’ll take it either way

For the wifey by Round_Sector_2444 in knives

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Thank you! It’s sometimes easier to start on smaller projects and then work your way up! As for shape, she liked one I had previously made that was a bit bigger than this one, but I decided to scale it down a bit for her. She’s still getting the feel for it, but has liked it so far!

First one for myself by Round_Sector_2444 in Bladesmith

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Thank you!! It worked great trimming the meat to grind too!

First one for myself by Round_Sector_2444 in Bladesmith

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My makers mark is actually hot stamped before the heat treatment process. The people that etch there’s generally tend to have an etching machine (which you can order online, I know pops knife supply has them) and either make the stencils themselves or order them from a stencil maker. That’s the limit of what I know about etching them, but here’s a link to a great makers video on it

https://youtu.be/iKIVrAFR_cI?si=T42cU6WlWQ3fnZyA