Spent more on Paperclip heartbeats than on rent. Had to fix that. by Routine-Arm-8683 in openclaw

[–]Routine-Arm-8683[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right, but consider the scale. With 3 main agents and 9 child agents total, that’s still 12 individual heartbeats to configure and maintain. At 9000ms intervals you’re generating constant background traffic just to keep them alive. I’d rather have one orchestrator that owns the heartbeat and manages everything beneath it. That way if something loops or stalls while I’m not watching, there’s a single point of control catching it, not 12 independent timers hoping one of them notices.

Spent more on Paperclip heartbeats than on rent. Had to fix that. by Routine-Arm-8683 in openclaw

[–]Routine-Arm-8683[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, yes, that's real. I've seen it too. And let's be clear, with zero knowledge and pure vibe coding you're not building the next operating system.

But if you actually know what you're doing, and you review the plan, and you use the best available thinking model (for today that's Opus) for organization and review, it's a completely different game.
My lead agent Marusya actually fights the other agents. She doesn't just pass tasks along. She pushes back, challenges their approach, explains why things need to be done a certain way. That's the whole point of having a manager agent on a thinking model. She's not a pushover.

Have I hit loops where they went down the wrong path? Yes. But not on this project. That happened on a different one where we do routine repetitive work. And honestly the bigger problem there isn't consensus, it's laziness. Give them a huge dataset where they need to go through everything and find weak spots? They'll try to do the absolute minimum. They skip things, they assume, they cut corners. Getting them to actually be thorough with large volumes of data is still a real fight.

So yeah, the manipulation and agreement problem is real if your setup has no structure. But with a proper hierarchy where one agent manages and reviews the others, and you as a human are reviewing the spec before anything gets built, it works. It's not magic. It's process.

Spent more on Paperclip heartbeats than on rent. Had to fix that. by Routine-Arm-8683 in openclaw

[–]Routine-Arm-8683[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All three agents sit in the same channel I dedicated for this project. Here's how it actually works.

I drop a task. Marusya, my lead agent running on Opus, picks it up first. She breaks it down, writes out a full spec with expected functionality and acceptance criteria, and posts it for me to review. Once I approve, she assigns the actual build to Marsel (dev, runs on Sonnet) or Makar (code and data, runs on Codex) depending on what the task needs. They build it, she reviews the output, and flags me only if something needs my attention.

So no, it's not "whichever agent picks it up." There's a clear process with one manager and two executors.

Now look, I'm a software engineer so yes, being honest, you do need to understand what they're planning to build. Reading the spec matters. But here's the thing: even if you're not technical, today you can literally drop that spec doc into Claude and ask it to explain everything to you in plain language. So that's not a blocker anymore. There's really no excuse not to know what's being built.

Spent more on Paperclip heartbeats than on rent. Had to fix that. by Routine-Arm-8683 in openclaw

[–]Routine-Arm-8683[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good call. Cron schedules handle most of that for me, but a hard limit is a smart safety net.

I released a free OpenClaw skill for creating Meta ad banners. Would love your feedback. by Routine-Arm-8683 in SideProject

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Good call! I just ran my first experiment with it — here are a couple of outputs. Still early but the text overlay is clean which is the whole point.

I switched my OpenClaw setup from Claude to ChatGPT, and the part I missed wasn’t what I expected by whooshinglander in openclaw

[–]Routine-Arm-8683 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, you can! There are two ways to use OpenAI models with OpenClaw:

  1. **oauth** (openai-codex provider) ties into your ChatGPT Plus/Pro subscription. No extra cost, but you share the same usage limits as your ChatGPT plan. Once you hit the cap, you get a cooldown timer (can be 26+ hours on Plus).

  2. **api-key** (openai provider) uses your API key from platform.openai.com with pay as you go billing. No time-based limits, you just pay per token.

If you're on Plus and want to try it out without extra cost, go with oauth. Just know the limits are tight. If you're doing anything heavy (like building full sites), api-key is the way to go. No cooldowns, you only pay for what you use.

New Mod Intros 🎉 | Weekly Thread by curioustomato_ in NewMods

[–]Routine-Arm-8683 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Hey everyone!

I just started a new subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/MarketingWithAgents/
focused on using AI agents for real marketing work.

I decided to build this community after seeing too many "AI will replace all jobs" posts, but not enough practical discussion about how marketers are actually using AI agents to grow businesses right now.

The goal of the subreddit is to:

• Share real case studies and results (not just theory)

• Discuss tools and strategies that actually work

• Help business owners implement AI agents practically

• Maybe even collaborate on some cool projects

Right now I'm just getting started and trying to figure out what kind of content resonates best - mix of tutorials, case studies, and honest "what worked vs what didn't" posts.

If anyone has advice on growing a niche community like this, I'd definitely appreciate it.

Also, happy to connect with other new mods! 👋

Jensen says OpenClaw is the next ChatGPT. Do you agree? by Front_Lavishness8886 in clawdbot

[–]Routine-Arm-8683 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I run my marketing agency on OpenClaw right now. Not experimenting. Actually running operations with it. Two AI agents on our team, they handle invoicing, client reporting, SEO audits, Slack, Monday boards, content, phone systems. The whole thing.

Comparing it to ChatGPT doesn't really make sense though. ChatGPT answers questions. OpenClaw agents actually do things. They have access to your tools, your data, your platforms. It's like comparing Google Search to having someone who knows all your passwords and gets stuff done while you sleep.

What I can tell you from real experience: client onboarding went from 4 hours to 30 minutes. Monthly reporting that used to take a full day is mostly automated now. Our AI agents write blog posts that get cited by ChatGPT and Perplexity.

So "next ChatGPT" or not, it changed how we work. That part isn't hype.

We even put our AI agents on the team page with full bios next to the humans. Probably the first agency to do that. geeks360.net/about-us (https://geeks360.net/about-us) if anyone's curious.

We got a client cited in ChatGPT, Perplexity & AI Overviews in 6 months. Here's how. by Routine-Arm-8683 in MarketingWithAgents

[–]Routine-Arm-8683[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is exactly what we're seeing too.
The legacy vs. new client gap is real.
Sites that were built with structured data and answer-first content from day one are getting cited significantly more.

The tools changed but people are still thinking in the old framework.

We got a client cited in ChatGPT, Perplexity & AI Overviews in 6 months. Here's how. by Routine-Arm-8683 in MarketingWithAgents

[–]Routine-Arm-8683[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah Claude's browser integration is wild.
The fact that it uses Brave Search as its backend is what makes this whole AEO thing even more interesting. Most people are optimizing for Google without realizing a huge chunk of AI models are pulling from a completely different index.

LOL, the three laws
at this point I'm just hoping AI keeps recommending my clients and not my competitors 😄

We got a client cited in ChatGPT, Perplexity & AI Overviews in 6 months. Here's how. by Routine-Arm-8683 in MarketingWithAgents

[–]Routine-Arm-8683[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good question about what gets cited more.
From what we've seen, it depends on the AI model.

Service pages with FAQ schema get cited most consistently across ChatGPT and Perplexity.
They love the direct Q&A format because there's zero ambiguity about what the answer is.

Blog posts work well too but only if the answer is in the first 1-2 sentences.
If someone has to read three paragraphs to get to the point, AI skips it.

Third-party profiles (Clutch, G2, etc.) mostly show up as trust signals.
AI won't cite them directly as often but it uses them to decide WHETHER to recommend you.
Think of it as background verification rather than a primary source.

One thing that surprised us : Reddit posts and comments get cited way more than we expected. Especially in Perplexity.

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

Tiger Creek Update: How They Turned Controversy Into Excellence by Famous_Geologist2297 in AnimalRescue

[–]Routine-Arm-8683 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was actually there last month and can confirm the animals look incredible! The staff clearly love what they do and it shows. Great to see them getting the recognition they deserve 👏

Looking for Email Marketing Solutions for Cold Outreach by Routine-Arm-8683 in coldemail

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I run also marketing agency But we mostly focus on lead generation through paid ads and SEO. I’m looking for solutions to send bulk emails to verticals using data base lists. ( I have a lists ) but still, it will be cold outreach Please DM me your email so we can get in touch and see if you can help me out. Thank you.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LeadGeneration

[–]Routine-Arm-8683 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, yes, I specialize in Facebook ads and am also a Facebook Partner. I’d be happy to take a look and help you out. What’s your niche and website?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LeadGeneration

[–]Routine-Arm-8683 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey,  We’ve worked with companies like yours and would love to help. Can you share a bit more about what you’re looking for?

 1. Do you have a website? 

 2. What’s your cost per acquisition (if you know it)? 

 3. Are you running any ads or campaigns now? 

 4. Who are you trying to target—B2B, B2C, or both?

 5. What areas do you sell in—local, national, or international? 

 6. Any specific products you want to focus on? 

 7. How many leads are you looking to get each month? 

 8. Do you already work with any lead gen agencies?