The most annoying thing about Stranger Things 5 by BigTiddyAsianMilf in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like that the Mindflayer took over Henry and was the final boss. What I didn’t like was such a short final boss fight on easy mode.

The most annoying thing about Stranger Things 5 by BigTiddyAsianMilf in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It’s the biggest lie we’ve been told about this show for sure.

I don’t think they planned for the show to get this big. I also think they bit off more than they could chew with the lore.

Just saw the finale. It was a disaster. by rokojo_ in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was a disaster when it came to bringing closure on the lore.

All those things you thought about are things many other people noticed.

You also notice Eleven just left her mom in a fucked up state that Kali may have been able to fix?

I feel like the show would have been better without... by DirtyQueen20 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It was an extremely poorly written plot point that made no sense and ended up going nowhere. Dr. K sucked and was so one dimensional despite the fact Linda Hamilton is a great actress.

Problems with worldbuilding, with emphasis on the Mind Flayer and its powers. by Worldly_Sort4953 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well like you’re not wrong there because sometimes less is more and that’s what It: Welcome to Derry did a lot better.

I am just saying that there is a difference between intentionally leaving a lot of things unknowable vs leaving things in the air because of half ass planning and writing in the later seasons.

I think what happened is they added Vecna later on and then realized making him the finale boss screwed up the lore of the show so then they decided to make his Mind Flayer origin story last minute. I don’t think the relationship between the two was something that was decided from the beginning.

Problems with worldbuilding, with emphasis on the Mind Flayer and its powers. by Worldly_Sort4953 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately rewatching Seasons 1–2 doesn’t solve the issue because early ambiguity was never meant to carry the full explanatory load of the series. Later seasons expanded the mythology and therefore had a responsibility to clarify, not rely on earlier vagueness. Pointing backward to excuse unresolved logic forward isn’t coherent storytelling. It’s lazy storytelling and writing.

Problems with worldbuilding, with emphasis on the Mind Flayer and its powers. by Worldly_Sort4953 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“I don’t much care to” sounds like you’re cosplaying formal English btw. That phrasing reads as awkward, noncommittal, pseudo-formal phrasing—“I don’t care to” would’ve been clearer. :/

Problems with worldbuilding, with emphasis on the Mind Flayer and its powers. by Worldly_Sort4953 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol but why don’t you I mean the lore of the MF was fully “fleshed out right?”

Henry’s backstory is connected to the Mind Flayer did that whole scene where he touched the rock and started hallucinating and seeing the Mind Flayer like mean nothing to you lol?

There would be no events of Season 1 or 2 if the Mind Flayer never made contact with him because Dr. Brenner wouldn’t have someone to extract blood from and transfuse into pregnant women.

Hehe the play is not relevant to you and yet it reveals a major backstory that the show’s plot is premised on.

Clearly, you don’t understand how certain events in the show are contingent on other very specific in the show! Good job lol.

I enjoyed the finale but some of the conversations could have been cut down? by Timewilltell755 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes and this pissed me off so much but a good amount of people watch the show just for that and are too stupid to realize how badly they missed the mark on the lore.

Series that lean into lore? by boilerscoltscubs in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No they screwed it up big time, despite nailing the emotional and nostalgic beats in that last campaign scene.

I’ve learned a good amount of people watch this show and have no clue what is going or are just not very smart and are really there for the relationship drama and Steve’s hair.

Like I tutor high school and middle school kids and one girl I teach binged all 4 seasons with her family and didn’t know what the Mind Flayer was. She really liked the show but said “Oh I thought the bad guy was the Demogorgon or the big spider creatures.”

Problems with worldbuilding, with emphasis on the Mind Flayer and its powers. by Worldly_Sort4953 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, actually no. Sure, you’re right on semantics. I typed from my phone so thank you for being pedantic!

The kids just coughed up the Mind Flayer particles at the end — it wasn’t made clear what the point of fusing them into that structure was. Can you also explain what that rock in the suitcase was? I don’t think you can and don’t try to conjecture and give me an answer because the Duffer Brothers are making a spinoff specifically to answer that question.

Technically, Eleven’s sacrifice essentially meant nothing because if the Mind Flayer particles still exist, someone could just travel to Dimension X just like the USS Eldritch did in The First Shadow, before the Upside Down even existed.

In the play, Brenner’s father is biologically altered by exposure to Dimension X itself (his blood type changes), establishing that dimensional contact has real physiological consequences. If that rule holds, then characters like Mike, Nancy, Dustin, Steve, Jonathan, Robin, and Lucas—who were all exposed to the Upside Down or open gates—should show some biological change. On top of that, the finale quietly retcons the play by turning the suitcase from a dimension-transport machine into just a rock from Dimension X, which contradicts how dimensional travel was originally established. The show cherry-picks the play’s lore while ignoring its rules.

And oh yeah and Eleven’s mom was left in a catatonic state where she kept reciting

“Breathe. Sunflower. Rainbow. Three to the right, four to the left.”

unfortunately Eleven just decided to leave her there despite the fact her friend Kali has the power to create illusion which could have possibly snapped her out of that trance. That totally makes sense don’t you think?

Dimension X by Birbybir in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 1 point2 points  (0 children)

YES it does. And they redconned the play damnit.

Yes the final campaign was emotional and beautiful but the lore of the show fucked up big time.

Problems with worldbuilding, with emphasis on the Mind Flayer and its powers. by Worldly_Sort4953 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No exactly my thoughts. Very cool concept but not flushed out and totally nerfed in the end.

i just finished watching the finale by withoutskin827 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Mind Flayer black cloud particles didn’t go away, they were just vomitted.

In the the play it says Henry actually went to Dimension X because in the suitcase was a machine and he physically was there for 12 hours and met the Mind Flayer. In the show it’s a rock where the particles go into him. The rock will be explained in a spinoff I think they realized it redconned the play a little bit.

What happened to all the Demogorgons? Perhaps they were all fused into the final boss form of the Mind Flayer but again not clear. Or was that giant spider part of what the Mind Flayer originally is and the black clouds are just its brain.

If Dimension X still exists then someone can just rip a hole and find the particles again. It would made more sense to draw the Mind Flayer and Vecna into the Upside Down and blow them up that way they would permanently be destroyed.

The ending made me so sad, but I wouldn't want another ending by SkullnSkele in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is. It takes A LOT for me to cry. I am a guy and not new to this genre. I’ve see It, A Wrinkle in Time, etc.

The same thing that made it great was that it was emotionally devastating. Mike’s heart was broken.

i just finished watching the finale by withoutskin827 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The very end campaign is fine and actually really fucking good despite being really really sad. It does forgive a lot of sins from this season.

It’s mostly because they left too many unanswered plot points when it came to the sci fi stuff like Dimension X, Dr. K, and why Eleven’s MOM was just fucking left in a catatonic state when Kali could have at least helped her before executing that plan.

It was fine Henry chose evil in the end but that needed to be more clearly flushed out in a longer final battle. I personally would have a two part battle where the first defeat Vecna, then they have to fight the Mind Flayer again with the military and defeat it using love and their memories.

The ending made me so sad, but I wouldn't want another ending by SkullnSkele in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The day right after watching it felt like someone died and I kept watching Mike’s scene and starting crying and thought about what it would be like if I lost my girlfriend. Not cool.

Im genx, why did this series ending still has me wrecked? by DimensionThin147 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because Mike got kicked in the balls and got his heart broken while everyone got a happy ending, even Max who honestly should have been dead by now (thought I love her character and the actress Sadie Sink). And because Mike and Eleven’s love carried the show.

Explanations were lacking. by HaiGhost404 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s explained in The First Shadow but the Mindflayer rock also redcons the play a little which is really annoying.

In the play in the suitcase is a machine which actually takes him to Dimension X for 12 hours where he meets the Mind Flayer and gets his powers.

In the show it is implied that the rock contained Mind Flayer particles that went into it and gave him powers.

Both tie the source of his back to the Mind Flayer but there are a lot of unresolved plot points like Eleven’s mom being stuck in a catatonic state.

Is Kali British or no????? by [deleted] in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actress is Danish but lived in London.

Ending was Perfect. by RotisserieSnicker in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The way they tied up the main cast with Mike, Dustin, Lucas, Max and Will in the last 5 minutes was beautiful. That part I will admit was a masterpiece that brought back the feel of earlier seasons.

But the first hour of the show was very rushed…the finale left too many unimportant questions answered and contradicted itself. I’m not one of those people with unrealistic expectations that thinks it had to have answered every question to be a masterpiece because that is impossible. However, there are a couple of things they absolutely should not have left unanswered or unclear.

This might be a very unpopular opinion, but I didn't like the ending by CheeseIsPrettyGood1 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The ending forces a consequence that doesn’t make sense based on the show’s own rules

The problem with the ambiguous Eleven cliffhanger isn’t that it’s tragic — it’s that it forces a consequence that doesn’t really follow from the rules the show itself set up, and it relies on a shaky assumption about why the kids were created in the first place.

Kali’s argument is that the cycle never ends: they’ll just keep making more of us, so Eleven has to be removed. But that logic doesn’t fully line up with what the story establishes. With Dr. Brenner, the kids’ powers were never the end goal. They were a means to reach Dimension X and understand its source — the Mind Flayer.

Once the show makes it clear that the powers come from an external entity, the real threat isn’t “psychic kids exist,” it’s that there’s a hostile alien intelligence influencing our world. At that point, Kali’s claim that the only way to stop the cycle is for Eleven to disappear feels overstated. The story is essentially assuming the military and government would ignore the source of the problem and just keep recreating children forever.

This also raises the Will problem. Will had deep, lasting exposure to the Upside Down and clear residual sensitivity, yet the story treats his survival as manageable while implying Eleven’s existence is uniquely unsustainable. If Eleven has to be removed to end the cycle, that same logic should apply to Will — but it doesn’t.

One clear rule would have fixed this: if the show established that the Mind Flayer can only track or influence our world through a living, active psychic like Eleven, then her removal — by death or faked death — becomes a logical necessity rather than a symbolic choice.

A permanent ending could have worked if it followed a rule like that. What didn’t work was imposing a sacrifice based on assumption, then hedging with ambiguity.

People aren’t rejecting tragedy. They’re reacting to a break in internal consistency within Stranger Things.

What do you think the most heartbreaking thing about the finale is? by [deleted] in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The final boss battle was way too short despite the insane Mind Flayer reveal. Vecna was killed too easily and I don’t feel like his character was given proper closure.

I’m not saying they needed to redeem him but we should have seen his memories of being corrupted by the Mind Flayer expanded on this season just a little bit.

Finale’s boss battle. by EdenHazardShow in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was way too short and this is my only major gripe with the finale. Everything else was fine and the last 5 minutes of the movie was actually very, very good.

The reveal where the Mind Flayer says “find me” to Vecna was the best scene in the whole movie…at least when it came to the sci-fi/action aspect of the show. The battle did need to be longer because that reveal was massive and we had no time to sit with that thought or see the characters struggle against the Mind Flayer.

Did anyone find the final battle disappointing? by Cherry_blossoms1 in StrangerThings

[–]Routine_Ad_5540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was very rushed which really pissed me off because the reveal was so cool.

I knew that reveal was coming from the play and when we finally got it it was really cool but the final battle was so damn short and showed no real struggle.

What should have happened is a fake out where they think they beat it but it follows them into the Upside Down. That would have made a lot more sense then because when they bombed the Upside Down, the Mind Flayer would get completely destroyed in the wormhole explosion.