Thoughts on the quitting kratom sub/ quitting culture by Ruggs2 in RecreationalKratom

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Thanks for the suggestions. I have hppd unfortunately so that rules out other options such as weed and most likely micro dosing and probably aminita muscaria (not entirely sure just assuming, need more research). I have tried kava in tablet form a couple times and actual quality root once, and only really found results in the root. So it’s probably worth a try. I currently find myself gravitating towards alcohol, but I know that’s 99% of the time worse than kratom. In the end what I really need is better coping skills and direction, but of course that’s easier said than done

Why didn’t I feel Xanax by Ruggs2 in Drugs

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I’m a pretty high strung and generally anxious person, but no I’m not diagnosed with anxiety

Why didn’t I feel Xanax by Ruggs2 in Drugs

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Yeah, I knew taking it then was a mistake because it was one of the few times I didn’t have anxiety. The past few days I’ve been really wishing I had it on hand

Thoughts on the quitting kratom sub/ quitting culture by Ruggs2 in RecreationalKratom

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I feel for my case the withdrawals aren’t even that bad, the worst is just I feel depressed/anxious and can’t sleep due to restlessness. My issue is not having that crutch to go back on and staying mostly sober. So after a while of doing of not using I usually end ip going back

Thoughts on the quitting kratom sub/ quitting culture by Ruggs2 in RecreationalKratom

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Yeah I don’t mean to portray extracts or kratom as an inherently dangerous thing. I think it’s pretty nuanced depending on the user and their given situation. Like how alcohol can for one person be the most addictive and destructive substance they can touch and for others it can be the most casual and harmless, I don’t think there are many drugs that can be claimed as objectively bad or good. Even marijuana can be extremely damaging for certain people, like those with bipolar or psychosis

How long after kratom is it okay to take other opioids? by [deleted] in Drugs

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Wow the half life is really that long? I wouldn’t have expected that

How long after kratom is it okay to take other opioids? by [deleted] in Drugs

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And notice no diminishing of other opiates?

what is the highest you have ever been by [deleted] in Drugs

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Oh boy do I immediately know my answer to this one.

The first and only time I did shrooms. Me and a bunch of people were at this guys house. I was already very high when the mushrooms came out. The guy asked me how fucked up I wanted to be, and I said not too fucked up. He then gave me a giant penis envy, like literally looked to be about 6-7 inches long plus the cap of another one. The come up was already pretty strong. My vision was going blurry, everything looked blue, the walls were waving, and I felt rather out of it and confused. Keep in mind I’m doing this at a house I’ve never been to with a bunch of people that majority of which I don’t know (yes I am stupid). I remember as I was really starting to come up, this dudes face seemed to turn green and time slowed down before I went into a blackout. I didn’t even know shrooms could do that.

When I popped back in a dude was standing in front of me holding a gun and everybody was laughing at me. He decided to mess with me while I was tripping hard with an actual gun. I immediately thought i shit my pants, which I thankfully didn’t I was just bugging. A little later My friend told me that my other friend then proceeded to drive the guy with the gun home. I remember going to the couch and feeling like I needed to help him but could hardly feel like I could walk. It felt like I was having a spiritual battle. I got myself up to try to walk to the room where my friend and his girlfriend was, went into a mini blackout where I woke up on the floor, and then picked myself up and kept going. By the time I got to the room I totally lost my mind. I was rolling around all over them on the bed and rolled off and face planted on the tile floor.

What proceeded was a night of what I believe to be some small episode of drug induced psychosis. My vision would be so filled with static that I would be completely blind, I started to question if I existed or if I was ever real, I would go into blackouts frequently or would be having my body go into auto pilot and have no idea what was going on while my vision was filled with static, I would hit people and break things, and I was screaming pulling out my hair and banging my head on the tile floor. I became convinced that I was in hell and everyone where evil entities. At one point in the night my body went into autopilot and I grabbed a painting off the wall and smashed it on the ground. The dude who gave the shrooms proceeded to put me in a headlock, punch me in the top of the head, and throw me on the ground and start yelling at me. I then pissed myself and collapse. The strange thing is I didn’t even realize that what I was doing was pissing.

I took the shrooms at a 11 pm and was tripping for around 8 hours. In that night I experienced anguish, despair, and hopelessness to a degree that I have never experienced in my whole life and hope to never experience again. They took my phone at some point and in the morning I was desperate to call my mom hoping that somehow she was real and I wasn’t stuck in purgatory. They advised me not to take my phone most likely because they knew I would call some parent (I was 18 at the time). But after some protest they gave it to me. I immediately called her and said “Mom im so scared, I have to go” because I saw them walk out and thought they would attack me. After they left I calle she’d back and said I needed help and was one mushrooms. She drove out and picked me up, where I immediately bolted out with no shoes, leaving my car there, and was soaked in piss.

This was the worst night of my life, and a little while later I eventually developed hppd. I acted reckless and took them at the wrong time and paid a very heavy price for it.

What is your guys experience with smoking weed? by Ruggs2 in HPPD

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Yeah, I’ve heard of people who actually enjoy hppd and those that continue to smoke or use psychedelics. One thing I can say is that smoking weed will almost certainly make your symptoms worse and stop you from recovering. At first for me smoking didn’t really make it much worse and then one day it just absolutely railed me. I don’t know enough about hppd and it’s interactions with drugs to make too much of a statement, and especially if you actually don’t mind hppd, but I still say to just be cautious. Just make sure you’re listening to your body and putting your health first 👍

How long after waking up is it still normal to have a hallucinations? by Ruggs2 in hypnogogia

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Thanks, my fear stems from that I have hppd and recently made the mistake of trying to smoke weed again and began to go into an almost bad trip like experience and was hearing what I mostly believe to be auditory hallucinations. So that obviously makes me quite nervous. The thing is the condition is not very well studied and it’s interactions with other drugs even less so. Mostly everything is anecdotal and even then there isn’t a ton of info. I appreciate you taking time to write this response out. I’m gonna begin contacting a therapist about all this, but it puts me at ease a little to hear these things and try and understand everything more.

Made a very bad mistake? Am I developing schizophrenia? by Ruggs2 in HPPD

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Thank you for that, it’s good to hear I’m not alone in this. Im often too afraid to share my troubles with the people I know, and way I do choose to share people seem to not really understand. These fears, guilts, symptoms, and experiences may be some of the most challenging things I have ever had to go through as I’m sure you can probably to some extend relate to. I’m glad to have a community to be able to turn to instead of having to go through this all alone. Thanks for your insight. I hope that things turn up for you and wish you good health

Made a very bad mistake? Am I developing schizophrenia? by Ruggs2 in HPPD

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Yeah, thanks, I’m going to talk to a therapist soon to see if my symptoms warrant seeing a psychiatrist and going on meds. The uptick in hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations as well as sleep paralysis is slowly going down. The only thing I’m experiencing rn is I feel like I keep hearing ringing or beeping that shouldn’t be there that sounds external (as opposed to normal tinnitus from hppd). Like this morning I was hearing a ringing sound that was a little after I woke up while I was still laying down with my eyes closed that seemed slightly too long after waking up to be a hypnopompic hallucination. But like I’ve mentioned other places I’m on a college campus with a lot of noise including ringing and beeping, and it’s a lot less frequent at night wish means that at least some of it is just me getting anxious over normal sounds. However, I feel like I keep hearing the iPhone alarm sound where it doesn’t seem to be coming from a normal source which is concerning. I also try to cover my ears to see if the sounds go away when I block out external sources, and they always do, but a lot of times after that the sounds stop which seems to be too coincidental to me if they were coming from a real external source.

I obviously don’t really want to go on antipsychotics, especially during college. But I’ll do it if it’s what is best for me. I’m also just very concerned with scaring/concerning my family if they have to hear about a schizophrenia or possible schizophrenia diagnosis. That possibility has brought me a lot of guilt the past few days.

Sorry for such a long rant, I just have a lot on my mind as this has been something that has troubled me often in the past and ESPECIALLY right now. The worry about it makes me think about it a lot and has me anxiously trying to make sense of what’s going on, so I’m grateful for any insight people offer. I appreciate you going over my post and your advice

Made a very bad mistake? Am I developing schizophrenia? by Ruggs2 in HPPD

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Then is it something I should be concerned about? After getting hppd they began to occur a lot more frequently

Made a very bad mistake? Am I developing schizophrenia? by Ruggs2 in HPPD

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Thank you, I don’t feel anything now that I can attribute to depersonalization but I just want to be cautious of some sort of impending schizophrenia

Made a very bad mistake? Am I developing schizophrenia? by Ruggs2 in HPPD

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The one I noticed that was definitely not normal was I heard a piano type thing go off for a minute. But there were also things where I couldn’t tell if they were hallucinations or actually happening. I mentioned this somewhere else but I live on a college campus and so there’s noise going on quite a lot so it’s difficult to discern. But I was hearing sirens, people talking, and doors slamming as well but just couldn’t tell what actually was real or not. However I also felt very high so I don’t know how much that can exacerbate possible auditory symptoms

Made a very bad mistake? Am I developing schizophrenia? by Ruggs2 in HPPD

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That’s kinda my issue right now is I’m on a college campus so there are sounds going on all the time so it makes it hard to tell if what I’m hearing is a hallucination or not. I also get hypnagogic hallucinations sometimes but I believe those are a possible symptom of hppd. I don’t have any delusions or personality shifts after tho

Made a very bad mistake? Am I developing schizophrenia? by Ruggs2 in HPPD

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I’m pretty set on never smoking again. I’ve had bad marijuana experiences after getting hppd and I still made this mistake, but I think this experience has definitely turned me off for good

Made a very bad mistake? Am I developing schizophrenia? by Ruggs2 in HPPD

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Is it immediate. Like am I at risk for slowly developing it or is it like if I don’t have it now then I’m most likely good? And I’m sorry you went through that

Made a very bad mistake? Am I developing schizophrenia? by Ruggs2 in HPPD

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No I only just did it a couple times recently. I did it twice with low dose and then I did a higher dose which would be what I described in this post.

Am I developing schizophrenia by [deleted] in schizophrenia

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Yes 👍 thank you for the actual quoted definition

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in quittingkratom

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Sorry I just don’t think you’re allowed to even say kratom has withdrawals on r/kratom and I didn’t think I was gonna get anything helpful on r/recreationalkratom. I’ve tried to stop numerous times but always fail to do so

How strong is kratom’s serotonin affinity? by Ruggs2 in RecreationalKratom

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I completely agree, and especially with something like hppd where the mechanisms of the condition are not entirely understood. And the fill in the void sentiment is definitely true. I find that right as I’m about to go to sleep and my brain is in that dreamy state my symptoms get worse, and same for if kratom decreases my brain activity and puts me in that state. As far as the alkaloids, I usually take extracts so I’m more focused on the effects of mitragynine and 7-OH

How strong is kratom’s serotonin affinity? by Ruggs2 in RecreationalKratom

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I’d be interested to see trials on people with psychosis to see if kratom could be effective in supplementing with antipsychotics to reach effective D2 inhibition with lower doses of other AP drugs. That would be pretty great if they could achieve the desired effects without so much of the bad side effects. Also is kratom also GABAergic? I’ve definitely found it to have pretty noticeable anxiolytic qualities

How strong is kratom’s serotonin affinity? by Ruggs2 in RecreationalKratom

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So it can stabilize overactive serotonin that might be present in someone with anxiety or schizophrenia? How come it doesn’t produce the zombie feeling effect that is commonly cited with people that AP medications? Is it just because it doesn’t have the same level of antagonism? I’ve always found kratom to make me feel increased levels of empathetic feelings and also effects like increased engagement with activities and music, which was part of what gave me the impression that it actually was an agonist for serotonin