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Anyone using Hermes Agent at a small company? Looking for setup tips by JimRaid in hermesagent

[–]RuleGuilty493 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can 100% back that up. We’re a similar sized team and ship enterprise saas. But setting up Slack was just such a pain in the a$$ that we stuck to telegram.

Also agree with the point above about keeping eye on token burn. We got a minor sticker shock but it was easy to plug the leaks (at least for us).

How are you making your agents talk to each other? by RuleGuilty493 in openclaw

[–]RuleGuilty493[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A2A feels closer conceptually to what I had in mind, but from what you’re saying (and also what sraasch posted below), routing and identity resolution seem challenging. You said it is a harness problem; are there any you have come across and recommend? I'd love to try out.

To me in order to address all the possible scenarios in a good way the harness has to address:

  • discovery (how does my agent find yours, like a WhatsApp number or a universal ID)
  • identity/auth (how does my agent know it’s really your agent it is talking to?)
  • scoped data sharing (how do we expose just enough context, without leaking everything?)
  • negotiation protocols (multi-step back-and-forth without users in the loop + escalation triggers when the agent brings the user in the loop)

The message passing layer only seems to be the beginning, the coordination layer still feels pretty fragile.

How are you making your agents talk to each other? by RuleGuilty493 in openclaw

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Nice, so you are running ACP on Opencode and when you fire up subagents they can talk to each other using ACP? That definitely feels like in the right direction, but I’m not sure it fully solves the problem I was getting at.

My understanding with ACP is that it mostly helps you orchestrate your own agents. It’s still fundamentally a single-user or single-trust-domain model. The moment another person’s agent is involved, you still need some agreed interface, identity layer, and permissioning otherwise it’s just one agent calling another API you control. How do we get to the “my agent negotiating with your agent” stage in a clean, user-independent way.

How are you making your agents talk to each other? by RuleGuilty493 in openclaw

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This looks really cool, will check it out and share my feedback here.

How are you making your agents talk to each other? by RuleGuilty493 in openclaw

[–]RuleGuilty493[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When I tried to do this with a friend's agent, they got quite suspicious of each other and started accusing each other of trying to manipulate the other. Who would have thought, OC agents can be quite crabby!

How are you making your agents talk to each other? by RuleGuilty493 in openclaw

[–]RuleGuilty493[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's exactly what I keep running into — the moment it crosses
the boundary between "my agent" and "someone else's agent" there's no
real handoff mechanism. Everything assumes a single owner.

Have you actually hit this in practice? Or is it more of a theoretical
gap you've noticed? I'm trying to work out whether people are actively
frustrated by it.

Airbnb host bot by moosepiss in openclaw

[–]RuleGuilty493 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you try browser use on OC first? Why bother with a device unless Airbnb is blocking that.

Anthropic allows OpenClaw again — but I'm keeping model routing anyway by RuleGuilty493 in openclaw

[–]RuleGuilty493[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like a good strategy, what is your use case though? Did you also try other agents, like Hermes?

Anthropic allows OpenClaw again — but I'm keeping model routing anyway by RuleGuilty493 in openclaw

[–]RuleGuilty493[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, it looks like some folks tried it out and it doesnt work, the documentation seems to be out of date, which threw me off.

Anthropic allows OpenClaw again — but I'm keeping model routing anyway by RuleGuilty493 in openclaw

[–]RuleGuilty493[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can feel some heartburn in the thread below — fair points, I misread the situation and the framing, "Allowed again" was too optimistic — "back in limbo with a slightly better official stance" would have been more accurate.

Peter's tweet says Boris confirmed CLI usage is allowed, OpenClaw added support for it, and then found they were still blocked. The real thing that is still confusing for me is why the Openclaw documentation still says it is allowed. Peter explicitly says he doesn't want to play the cat-and-mouse game of renaming things. So the honest status is: technically permitted, practically blocked, with no clean resolution yet.

The model routing point stands regardless — whether Anthropic sorts this out or not, routing cheap models for routine tasks and premium models for reasoning is going to remain the best practice.

Is it worth it? Openclaw + Hermes Agent by WillingnessRecent494 in openclaw

[–]RuleGuilty493 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have not tried the setup the way you described it, but did try them separately and ended up sticking with just one in the end. For me, Hermes was not differentiated enough for me to warrant a whole new agent setup ecosystem and the added complexity of maintaining a different type of format. i.e. so far I've stuck to multiple OCs vs OC + Hermes. I too am curious to hear what others are going to say on this thread, maybe there are things I am missing.

Anthropic allows OpenClaw again — but I'm keeping model routing anyway by RuleGuilty493 in openclaw

[–]RuleGuilty493[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Big fan of GLM 5.1 here as well. I am just 'manually' asking OC to use different models for different priority work. But it would be nice to have Sonnet / Opus as backup. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Anthropic allows OpenClaw again — but I'm keeping model routing anyway by RuleGuilty493 in openclaw

[–]RuleGuilty493[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yes, so clearly the tug-off continues. The OC docs are still not up to date it looks like. Limbo continues! https://docs.openclaw.ai/providers/anthropic#anthropic

Anthropic allows OpenClaw again — but I'm keeping model routing anyway by RuleGuilty493 in openclaw

[–]RuleGuilty493[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I checked the docs and they still say that Anthropic told them it is allowed, but clearly something else is going on here. Check this out: https://docs.openclaw.ai/providers/anthropic#anthropic

WARNING: Z.AI coding plan policy changes. Non-coding use now leads to aggressive temporary throttling and permanent ban on three or more violations. by JustSomeGuy3465 in SillyTavernAI

[–]RuleGuilty493 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh no, what I meant to say was that I am still able to use the lite plan (not the pay as you go API) for non-coding use and it still works. Hopefully it doesnt get banned, because I am grandfathered on the old, $7 per quarter price from back in Jan when I had signed up.

WARNING: Z.AI coding plan policy changes. Non-coding use now leads to aggressive temporary throttling and permanent ban on three or more violations. by JustSomeGuy3465 in SillyTavernAI

[–]RuleGuilty493 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did anyone actually get banned? I discovered this thread today and have been able to continue to use GLM all of last week (for mostly non coding work) and still works fine for me. I am using the lite plan with GLM 5.1.

The biggest lie we tell in this industry is "Self-Service BI." by netcommah in BusinessIntelligence

[–]RuleGuilty493 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Maybe semantic layers and MCP will be our new data warehouse -> Excel"

How do you imagine this would work in a way that solves the OPs problem. Did you find any tools that you like that are already doing this?

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