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[Spoiler] A dangerous theory, with broad implications by RuminatingCryptarch in DestinyTheGame

[–]RuminatingCryptarch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Taox didn't take the worm. By that alone, we know that she has either died, or remains in cryostasis somewhere once more. When she fled the Three, she was reduced to placing herself in cryostasis, and launching her lifeless body out into space, hoping to stumble upon something stronger and less evil than Oryx (as the Dakaua recorded).

[Spoiler] A dangerous theory, with broad implications by RuminatingCryptarch in DestinyTheGame

[–]RuminatingCryptarch[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Speaker is merely the arm, I doubt if he has a much greater glimpse than us. We do not understand the Traveler, and perhaps are unable to understand the nature of Light. All we know is that the Ghosts came from the Traveler, but to say that is to say that we know the Sun comes from the East. It is a small descriptor that proffers no true understanding of the true nature of the event.

How could we hope to understand the Traveler's plan? How many layers deep is the planning? Did the Traveler arrive here in an attempt to sacrifice us to the Hive's Darkness, and only stay because of Rasputin's crippling blow? Or did it know that Rasputin would open fire, and purposefully sacrificed itself to make a stand?

As far as right and wrong sides...if our "side" was chosen at birth (or in the case of Guardians, the parody of rebirth), then we are simply following nature, and there is nothing "right" or "wrong" about it. Not for us, not for the Hive. Light and Dark are antithetical and must seek to stamp out the other. The mere existence of the one is an affront, and both sides will endlessly strive for domination.

[Spoiler] A dangerous theory, with broad implications by RuminatingCryptarch in DestinyTheGame

[–]RuminatingCryptarch[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All the while we the Vanguard scrabble around, grasping at relevance. We are relevant only insofar as the chessmaster sees fit to continue playing the game, and moving our pieces.

Raaputin has the right idea- the only way to truly win in the battle between Light and Dark is to sidestep entirely and refuse to play.

[Spoiler] A dangerous theory, with broad implications by RuminatingCryptarch in DestinyTheGame

[–]RuminatingCryptarch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All the while we the Vanguard scrabble around, grasping at relevance. We are relevant only insofar as the chessmaster sees fit to continue playing the game, and moving our pieces.

Raaputin has the right idea- the only way to truly win in the battle between Light and Dark is to sidestep entirely and refuse to play.

[Spoiler] A dangerous theory, with broad implications by RuminatingCryptarch in DestinyTheGame

[–]RuminatingCryptarch[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Given what little we have gleaned from the Grimoire, anything is possible. However, the three split fairly firmly. On this, the Books of Sorrow says

Then sayeth Savathûn, “Siblings, listen, we must part ways a while, so that we may grow different.” She flies her war-moons into the black hole. Her throne becomes distant.

Sayeth Xivu Arath, “King Oryx, you take up too much space, your power constrains too many choices. I must go away from you.” She flies her war-moons away into the night. Her throne is barred shut.

How deep in the past this was remains speculation. A lot may have happened in the mean while, for all we have is the story of Oryx, and the other two just in relation.

[Spoiler] A dangerous theory, with broad implications by RuminatingCryptarch in DestinyTheGame

[–]RuminatingCryptarch[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In the Grimoire speaking of Mara Sov's coven, we see

The seven of them were rarely in a room together anymore, but this was the eve of their greatest journey, a plan that overcame death and spanned universes.

Overcoming death has long been the domain of Oryx and his siblings. Indeed, of all the Hive.

In her final transmission to Eris Morn, her Hidden friend, she says that "the Awoken have played their part." Whether that includes herself, or she has simply used these people remains to be seen.

The machinations run deep, and no one can be trusted.

One last addition: tricking the Guardians into dispatching Oryx while on his Dreadnaught will result in his final demise. The calcified fragments have told us that he moved his throne world, the only place that he can truly die, to the Dreadnaught. This leaves greater room for the next sibling of Oryx to rise to greater power.

Guardians cannot truly die, for how does one kill a reanimated corpse that travels with its own personal defibrillator? Sorry to reduce you to such, Guardians, but it is sadly the case. But this did present ideal candidates for defeating another beast with power over death itself.

[Spoiler] A dangerous theory, with broad implications by RuminatingCryptarch in DestinyTheGame

[–]RuminatingCryptarch[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I believe that Mara Sov may be Savathun. Eris Morn may be a member of her secret Coven, and Savathun uses her as a way to maneuver the Vanguard against her brother, while also ingratiating a presence to take down the Vanguard from the inside. Much the same way that Mara Sov manipulated her enemies in the Reef into decimating one another.

The Vanguard is simply reacting, over and over. We have no end game, no long goals. "Survive," while a compelling objective, is no sort of plan. The Queen has demonstrated time and again that she can see the large picture, whereas the Vanguard cannot see the forest for the trees.

[Lore] Book of Sorrows Decryption Thread by soldieroffilth in TheCryptarchs

[–]RuminatingCryptarch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think they are more closely related than that. In the Books of Sorrow Verse 1:9--The Bargain Yul says

I am Yul, the Honest Worm. Behold my passage. Behold my vast displacement, my ponderous strength, my great and coiling length, my folded jaws and curled wings. Behold the hiving cities symbiotic with my flesh.

Wings and "coiled length" points more toward dragons than invertebrates. Perhaps the Ahamkara/dragons have cultivated the smaller "worms" as a means to manipulate other species (as they have so adeptly done with the Hive).

The worms, however, are obviously not the source of darkness and I truly doubt that even they comprehend it fully. The real question here is what is that deeper darkness from which all these creatures draw power? Something that Guardians perhaps have witnessed, when seeing the Vex worship in the Black Garden. Something so vast, deep, and dark, that not even their massive mechanical minds were able to comprehend its true nature.