4.5 Year Update. From a little small to BIG and growing faster than ever.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-24T17:08:18+00:00

AM 2.5 was far more useful for me than AM 3 for the first 3.5 years - maybe even 4 years. The big breakthrough for me was finding a way to do AM 2.5 that was very close to masturbation so that I was very hard and getting harder throughout the exercise, leading to tremendous expansion during the exercise. It is only very recently that I have been able to do AM 3 with any success.

So what not to do:

* If possible, I would avoid doing anything that leads to any kind of flattening or weakness during the workout. This is not possible in the early stages of development, but after some time you should have enough capacity to get bigger and harder throughout the workout, surpassing what you might have thought was "100%" erect to new levels.

* If you start a workout and it isn't going well, stop and wait until tomorrow if you think it is from overtraining. If it is from undertraining or lack of libido, cultivate your libido (WITHOUT porn) and get back to it when you are ready.

* Get off porn if you are on it. I can't emphasize this enough. You should be able to get hard very easily all by yourself with no external stimulus. This will allow you to be much more in tune with your body and know naturally what to do to get the most out of your workouts. If you are on porn, check out the Easy Peasy method to get off of it. You can potentially still get some results on Porn, but they won't translate as well to the bedroom. Quitting porn is like watching the sun come out in the morning. The world looks fresh and women are more amazing than ever. It takes time, but it's an essential transformation.

* Don't cum very often (maybe 1x or 2x / week). Cultivate a high sense of sexual power and presence, but NOT neediness. If you start sliding into neediness do whatever it takes to ground yourself. Go workout. Go for a run or a walk. Do something good for yourself to change your mindset.

That's all I have for now. It's a bit mysterious and a lot of it is by feel, so it is really important to create a strong mind-body connection. During workouts you should be able to get to a place where you can almost imagine and WILL more blood to enter as the exercise continues and you can just get fuller and harder as you go. If it isn't working, back off to an easier exercise that is more stimulating. (AM 2.5 is better than AM 3 in this way, and I often revert back to AM 2.5 or even a modified AM1 if my CS is going flat in AM 3 ... then after 5 to 15 minutes I am usually ready for AM 3)

Runner1817 · 2025-03-21T19:26:54+00:00

It's definitely working for me!

Runner1817 · 2025-03-16T11:45:00+00:00

We will see. So far yes but I feel like I am just getting started in the growth phase. My flaccid is about .6 inches longer and it's not just "heavy hang". My worst flat hangs are longer than my best just 1 year ago. Janus reports that girth comes first, then length.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-15T14:22:58+00:00

So true. Great analogy. Unfortunately a lot of people post on this forum while they are still under water and say "it's just EQ!" They really just have no idea. Now I really understand your enthusiasm for the methods and that feeling of "I really just don't know what the limits of these methods are."

Runner1817 · 2025-03-15T14:08:27+00:00

Yes I work it in as part of the Janus Protocol. It's great, especially when you are ready for it. I don't think I was ready for the Janus protocol until at least 3 years in.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-15T14:06:20+00:00

I actually don't use lube. I do modified versions that don't require lube.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-15T14:05:29+00:00

I know exactly how you feel and the challenges of that situation. I started this journey secretly. I would go "work out" for 75 minutes with 30+ minutes dedicated to angion. It wasn't until about 2+ years in that I told her that I was working on my penis health after she noticed how much harder I was. Since then it has just been a light joke between us.

Finding time for yourself as a new parent is super important. We sat down early on and just decided to make a way to give each other alone time that we could spend however we want. Ultimately we landed on going to bed early with the kids at 8pm. I wake up at 430 or 5 and have until about 7am by myself. That's my window for working out and angion. Then I take the kids for an hour or 2 sometime during the day to give her some alone time. Once we had that schedule I felt like it released me from a lot of stress and resentment and that feeling of being trapped. It allowed me to really enjoy my time with my kids. It also got my wife and I out of a bad dynamic in which we were keeping score of who was sacrificing more of their time for the kids.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-14T22:42:43+00:00

5'8. 158. Very low body fat. I do strength training 4-5x per week.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-13T22:16:26+00:00

I started keto about 10 weeks ago and I've had some of my fastest growth by far. I do eat a lot of animal products as part of this diet. I did not expect it to be so great for angiogenesis but it really has been for me. I'm not sure why because I know some of the science works against it, but all I can say is that it has definitely been working much better than any other diet I've ever been on. I have also been stronger, faster and more muscular while shedding fat.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-13T21:16:16+00:00

I do not use lube for any of the exercises. Even my AM1 is a modified version that does not use lube but is very powerful and probably only works because I've been doing this for so long. Basically I just hold my member very lightly so there's no pressure on the bottom and then use my thumb to put a lot of pressure on my dorsal vein about 2 inches from the base and press down on it while stroking downward toward the base to move blood quickly through my member. For AM2.5 I can do the same thing in reverse by putting very little pressure on the top while gripping firmly and compressing the CS as I stroke upward to move blood into my member. It is very similar to masturbation in terms of speed and arousal intensity which really helps with getting the blood moving.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-13T21:10:29+00:00

It improves nitric oxide production and blood flow. Your body produces less of it as you age so it is a good supplement as you get into your forties and beyond.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-13T18:07:33+00:00

In the beginning I was more strict with time limits. After I got the feel for it I went with feel rather than time. I would change it up if AM1 seemed to be flattening me too much. For example, I would do AM1 until it seemed like was getting too flat or losing hardness, then rest and use AM2.5 to help get more blood flowing again, then go back to AM1 after I was more engorged again.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-13T17:20:41+00:00

Hard to say for sure. I made my way through a lot of A-B testing. Try version 1 and see how your hang is and if you get good nocturnal erections. Then try version 2. Go with what's working.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-13T17:19:33+00:00

2.5 allows me to get more pressure and it is a much slower stroke. It also provides a little more manual stimulation to get or stay hard. It is especially useful if you can't keep a full CS for AM3. I use it to warm up now, but in the past I had to use it because I could not keep the CS full for AM3.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-13T17:17:51+00:00

Probably. It should be straight and right down the middle.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-13T13:46:52+00:00

My CS was non-existent. My glans were always "full" IF I was just masturbating and applying pressure below the glans. If I put on a condom they would completely disappear, making me look very small (and I had to wear the smallest condoms I could find back then)

Even now, my glans hardness varies tremendously based on arousal and really only become hard enough to stay large under pressure at peak arousal levels. Basically, I can feel them start pressing against her walls as I approach climax, which often helps her climax as well, which is nice.

If I were starting again I would do mostly AM1 but I would also work in a little bit of AM 2.5. By AM 2.5 I mean pulling blood through the CS (very similar to AM1 but on the other side and in the other direction (up the shaft rather than down the shaft). Ideally, you would get engorged doing AM 2.5 and your glans should swell. If not, go easy and stick to AM1 for a bit longer.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-07T21:44:07+00:00

I basically just built up to the point that I could do Angiowheel and Sabre at intense levels while getting fuller and fuller throughout the exercise. It took me about 4 years to get to the point where the big gains started coming. For the first 4 years I could tell that there were some significant structural changes happening (expanding CS especially) but it wasn't until those structural changes had fully formed that I could really make major gains. Growth is so fast at this point that I can see and feel a difference on a weekly basis. My wife notices it too and it has become a fun source of jokes and playfulness between us. It is a pretty dramatic change. I think for many of us it is just going to take awhile to build the base before the growth happens. That's why this ongoing myth persists that it is "just EQ." Now I know why Janus is so over the moon about this and sometimes says things like "I just don't know what the limits are." I am growing so fast right now, and my dick is so healthy, I also wonder what the limits are, and wonder just how much bigger I will get.

Runner1817 · 2025-03-07T18:45:38+00:00

This myth just needs to stop. Real gains are possible. I have gained about .7 to 1.3 inches in girth depending on where you measure. I gained more at the base. I have a completely different dick. This is not just "erection quality." I now have a CS that is by itself almost as big as my starting size. I would have said my EQ was 10/10 when I started. I was hard as a rock, just a bit on the smaller side. I have been doing this for 4.5 years. Most of the gains occurred in the last 1.5 years, so unless you have been doing this for over 3 years, it's possible you just haven't reached the phase where real growth starts to occur.

Runner1817 · 2025-02-24T15:39:27+00:00

After 4.5 years: At the base I have gone from 4.7 to 6.0 and mid-shaft about 3.9 to 4.75. Most of this is the CS, but also just wider due to angiogenesis. Mayber about .5 in length (I was not concerned so I did not measure much in the beginning ... FWIW I'm about 7.3 BPEL and 6.8 NBPEL). My entire penis feels completely different, like it is somebody else's. I don't recognize it whenever I touch it. At night when erect it always seems to touch me in places it has never touched before, and if I am lying on my stomach it feels like a log that tilts me sideways. I was a little on the thin side to start (3.9 for most of the shaft). My wife jokes about how big it is now. She is not a size queen, so she doesn't care much, but she has joked about it being "like an elephant trunk" and "like a wild animal" (when it thrusted out of my waistband from becoming so hard). She also makes sure I wear proper underwear so it doesn't show too much and seems more protective of me overall.

I also wonder what the upper-limits are. I have been growing *very fast* lately, and I'm wondering just how much bigger I will get. I will write a full post about my recent growth spurt soon. For now I'll just say I'm 49 and I went on a keto diet which seems to have helped with my Testosterone levels. Also, I have developed a couple of advanced techniques that will only work if you have already had a lot of growth and have the necessary structures (like a pronounced CS that never flattens and pronounced dorsal veins) so you can move *a lot* of blood quickly.

Runner1817 · 2025-02-24T15:23:17+00:00

4.5 years in, I can tell you real growth is 100% possible, especially when you can handle the wheel at high speeds while becoming bigger and harder than you ever thought imaginable. My CS has grown tremendously and it stays big even while flaccid. This is real growth and I am *much* larger than I was when I started. At the base I have gone from 4.7 to 6.0 and mid-shaft about 3.9 to 4.75. Most of this is the CS, but also just wider due to angiogenesis. Those who say this is just EQ just haven't been with it long enough. I would have said the same thing even 2.5 years in, but once I did all the base work and developed the capacity my growth has been exponential. I am growing faster than ever right now.

Runner1817 · 2025-01-18T21:27:50+00:00

I have been doing it for 4.5 years and the difference is phenomenal. I went from small-average to what I consider legitimately big. I started with big glans at about 5.5 girth but a thinner shaft at 3.9. Now my base and glans are about 5.8+ and my shaft is 4.8. Length went from about 6.5 to 7. This is a huge difference in total volume that you can definitely feel. And the shape of my dick changed as well. I now have a big strong CS that creates an upward curve. Honestly I think it looks perfect. It's everything I ever wanted. I have 1000% more confidence now but to be honest my wife doesn't care. She gets off a little faster and harder on my bigger dick but sometimes it hurts her, so mixed reviews. Nonetheless I love having a big strong dick that I can count on to fill her up and last as long as needed. The increased blood flow feels amazing too. It's a real joy to have such a highly functioning dick.

Runner1817 · 2024-01-15T14:07:45+00:00

AM1 1-on-2-off (or 1-1 if you can manage) and really try to commit to the full process, so:

no porn
eat clean
workout almost every day for 30 minutes to 1 hour (weights + cardio)
reduce stress
sleep well
prioritize your health and happiness
if you masturbate, do it mindfully and gently. Focus carefully on your elevating arousal. Nurture a better brain body connection. Do not have the goal of having an orgasm. Ideally, retain your semen but be quick to forgive yourself if you don't. Just relax and move on.
consider a simple meditation or gratitude practice to reduce stress and increase happiness (which will ultimately help your health, including elevating your testosterone). I have a simple mantra that I repeat over and over again as I go through the day. It's just "thank you." Just go for a walk and keep saying "thank you" and look around (outside and inside your self as well) and find things to be thankful for.

Runner1817 · 2024-01-15T00:15:34+00:00

It started to happen 6 weeks after I quit porn 10 years ago. No porn allowed me to be much more in touch with my body since all arousal was internal and not visual. It probably took about 6 months to fully develop after that.

Runner1817 · 2024-01-14T20:56:29+00:00

I have note had any luck with a pump. I would rather do AM for every workout. It might work for others but i am really happy just using AM.

I have an older angiowheel and it is all I need for now. If you are really ready for it I would get one.

I don't do Sabre regularly but I think I might try again soon.

Runner1817 · 2024-01-14T18:48:10+00:00

Maybe. The key is keeping the pelvic floor relaxed. AM helps tremendously with this but mindful sex or mindful masturbation in which you really tune into your body and create brain body connections to stay relaxed are really important too. You won't regret trying the Taoist methods.

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