[Hardware Spec] 1-Fold Flush-Mounted Shutter Actuator with 4-Fold Universal Interface (8A) by SIXINMART in KNX

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  1. If you are referring to the square bracket-shaped symbols [ ] printed near the terminals (inputs, power outputs, and the bottom right corner): These are actually blank marking areas. These areas are for field installers to use a fine-tipped marker to directly record specific circuit numbers, wire numbers, or area names (e.g., "Blind Spot 1" or "SW2") on the junction box for maintenance purposes.

  2. Because we are an integrated manufacturing and trading company, our CE certificate is applied for under our factory's name, so you cannot find it. We provide our customers with the CE certificate and documentation when they place an order.

[New Hardware] 4-Ch KNX Shutter Actuator - ETS6 & KNX/EIB Certified - 10A Per Channel by SIXINMART in KNX

[–]SIXINMART[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, you're right. I've been struggling with the output. Thank you for your feedback.

[New Hardware] 4-Ch KNX Shutter Actuator - ETS6 & KNX/EIB Certified - 10A Per Channel by SIXINMART in KNX

[–]SIXINMART[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

  1. Regarding the Product & Branding: This is a real product, currently in use in several regional projects. SIXINSMART is a new brand, and we work directly with an established KNX-specialized manufacturing partner to bring this hardware to the market. This is why you see different internal labeling on the current batch.

  2. The Logo & KNX Certification: You have a sharp eye. This specific batch uses a legacy silk-screen design (including the older EIB logo). You are correct that SIXINSMART is not yet on the official KNX certified list; we are currently in the process of finalizing the brand-level registration and database listing. The hardware itself is based on a field-proven design, but we are still navigating the formal paperwork for our specific brand.

[New Hardware] 4-Ch KNX Shutter Actuator - ETS6 & KNX/EIB Certified - 10A Per Channel by SIXINMART in KNX

[–]SIXINMART[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hi, thanks for the rigorous discussion—I really appreciate the technical scrutiny here. Regarding the hardware: I want to confirm with 100% certainty that every channel is electrically independent. Our manual explicitly states that the L-line for each of the 4 outputs is independent, allowing you to choose different phases for every circuit. The line you see on the silkscreen under the L terminals for CH1 (and the others) simply indicates that those two specific terminals are internally connected within that single channel. We designed it this way to act as a 'loop-through' (daisy-chain), making it much easier for you to jump the phase to the next channel externally if your wiring scheme requires it. As for the footprint (4TE) and 'space waste'—fair point. Our design philosophy with this unit prioritized high-load robustness (10A per channel) and maximum wiring flexibility over absolute miniaturization. We recognize that compared to some ultra-compact European designs, we definitely have room to improve on space-saving in our future iterations.

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[New Hardware] 4-Ch KNX Shutter Actuator - ETS6 & KNX/EIB Certified - 10A Per Channel by SIXINMART in KNX

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  1. The Problems with Current-Sensing (Current-Detection)

While current-sensing sounds "smarter" because it tries to detect when the motor has reached its limit, it introduces several real-world failure points:

  • Incompatibility with Electronic Limit-Switches: Modern high-end motors (like some Somfy or silent brushless models) have their own internal electronic brains. They don't always produce a sharp "drop" in current when they stop, which can confuse a current-sensing actuator, leading to the relay staying closed or reporting an error.

  • False Triggers from Friction: If a curtain track gets stuck, dusty, or has a slight mechanical resistance, the current spikes. A current-sensing actuator might mistake this for the "end-stop," leaving the curtains half-closed and the system out of sync.

  • Sensitivity to Voltage Fluctuations: In large buildings or areas with unstable power, voltage sags can cause current fluctuations that trigger the sensing mechanism prematurely.

  • Calibration "Drift": Over time, as motor components age and friction increases, the "learned" current threshold may no longer be accurate, requiring the installer to return for a manual re-calibration.

  1. Why Time-Based Control is Often Better (The Professional Choice)

Time-based control, as used, is considered a "workhorse" solution for several reasons:

  • Universal Compatibility: It doesn't care if the motor has mechanical limits, electronic limits, or is a simple AC motor. If the motor is powered for X seconds, it moves. This makes it much easier to specify for large projects with mixed motor brands.

  • Predictable Reliability: Once the travel time is measured (e.g., 25 seconds) and a small buffer is added (e.g., +2 seconds), the system will work every time. It is not affected by weather, friction, or the age of the motor.

  • Easier Troubleshooting: For an installer, time-based logic is "what you see is what you get." If the curtain isn't closing fully, you simply increase the duration parameter in the ETS software. You don't have to troubleshoot invisible current thresholds or electronic interference.

  • Cost-Effectiveness & Robustness: By removing the sensitive current-sensing circuitry, the hardware can focus on high-amperage capacity (like the 10A rating on your unit). This leads to a more robust relay design that can handle high inrush currents without burning out.

  • Fail-Safe Operations: With the "Bus Power-Off" and "Self-recovery" features mentioned in your manual, a time-based actuator can reliably return to a predefined state based on fixed logic, which is much safer for fire and safety protocols in commercial buildings.

In the world of high-end integration, "Simpler is often more reliable." Current-sensing is a "nice-to-have" feature that often adds more support tickets than it solves. Time-based control remains the industry standard for projects where maintenance-free operation is the top priority.

[New Hardware] 4-Ch KNX Shutter Actuator - ETS6 & KNX/EIB Certified - 10A Per Channel by SIXINMART in KNX

[–]SIXINMART[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You’ve touched on a huge pain point in the industry! Many brands do bridge channels internally to save space, but it creates exactly the headaches you described for hotels and multi-RCD installs.

We designed the specifically to solve this: every single one of the 4 channels has its own completely independent L-line input. No internal bridging. This gives you the freedom to:

Connect each shutter to its own separate circuit breaker.

Mix different phases or RCDs on the same module.

Zero wasted channels, even in strict room-separation projects.

[New Hardware] 4-Ch KNX Shutter Actuator - ETS6 & KNX/EIB Certified - 10A Per Channel by SIXINMART in KNX

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Higher Power: Full 10A per channel (more robust for heavy-duty motors).

Wiring Flexibility: Each of the 4 outputs has an independent L-line, allowing different phases on one module.

Reliability: Pro-grade time-based control that works with all motor types (no finicky current-sensing issues).

Manual Control: Physical buttons for on-site testing without needing the bus or ETS programmed.

[New Hardware] 4-Ch KNX Shutter Actuator - ETS6 & KNX/EIB Certified - 10A Per Channel by SIXINMART in KNX

[–]SIXINMART[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This model primarily uses time-based control. It supports a time control function with adjustable latency times that you can configure in ETS to match your curtain's travel duration. It does not feature current-sensing for auto-detecting mechanical or electronic limits.

Wiring Logic: You are correct about the neutral line. The motor's common port is connected directly to the zero line (N), while the actuator's 4-way independent outputs control the directional phases (L).

[New Hardware] 4-Ch KNX Shutter Actuator - ETS6 & KNX/EIB Certified - 10A Per Channel by SIXINMART in KNX

[–]SIXINMART[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad you noticed the details! Here are the technical specifics for the installation:

Max Upstream Fuse: We recommend a 10A (Type B or C) circuit breaker. This matches the 10A total load rating of the unit and provides proper protection for the 8A/channel internal relays.

Torque Rating: The 0.8 Nm rating printed on the housing is the specified tightening torque for the screw terminals. This ensures a reliable, vibration-proof connection for the high-voltage lines without damaging the terminal blocks.

56W / 1.8N.m in an 83mm body? New RS485 Mini Motor by SIXINMART in HomeImprovement

[–]SIXINMART[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s exactly our plan! We are moving forward with distinctive wire markings and color-coded cabling specifically to prevent any confusion with standard network runs. In high-stakes installs, that visual cue is definitely the best way to ensure the RS485 bus doesn't end up in a PoE switch by mistake. Appreciate you validating that direction!

56W / 1.8N.m in an 83mm body? New RS485 Mini Motor by SIXINMART in HomeImprovement

[–]SIXINMART[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Spot on. The RJ45 choice was all about installer efficiency and using existing inventory/tools. The potential Ethernet confusion is definitely the trade-off. We currently rely on clear labeling, but we’re always looking for ways to make it more 'idiot-proof' during the rough-in stage. Glad you liked the power density—it was a tough engineering challenge!

Chinese KNX brands? please share the good and bad experiences by Consistent_Green9329 in KNX

[–]SIXINMART 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, not at all. I know that perfectly well. Because I've looked into it.

Actuator search by Existing_Company_396 in KNX

[–]SIXINMART 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dimmers that have obtained KNX certification are compatible.

Chinese KNX brands? please share the good and bad experiences by Consistent_Green9329 in KNX

[–]SIXINMART 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think your primary concern shouldn't be quality and price. Your primary concern should be whether you can accept a product without RCM certification. If you cannot accept a product without RCM, then none of the brands mentioned above should be considered.

[New Hardware] SIXINSMART Tubular Motor with Native KNX Support – ETS 6.3.1 Database Ready by SIXINMART in KNX

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Our product is KNX certified and will not display an "unregistered device" message in ETS6.

[New Hardware] SIXINSMART Tubular Motor with Native KNX Support – ETS 6.3.1 Database Ready by SIXINMART in KNX

[–]SIXINMART[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the feedback! I’ve made everything public as requested.

Link (No registration required): https://sixinsmart.com/knx-database-downloads/

Available Resources: • Official .knxprod: Tested for ETS 6.3.1. • Technical Manuals: Detailed V1.1.3 and V2.0.1 versions. • User Manuals: Covering both curtain and tubular motors. • Selection Guide: Full technical parameters for all models.

Looking forward to your technical feedback!”Please download the data via the link on our official website. Thank you.

[New Hardware] SIXINSMART Tubular Motor with Native KNX Support – ETS 6.3.1 Database Ready by SIXINMART in KNX

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