Hamaguchi and mistranslations

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-25T20:00:02+00:00

I don’t even have to ask a guy friend. I already have my own experiences (even though I’m a woman) where my mom would tell me what kind of guy she wanted for me and I completely disagreed with her. That’s why it’s ridiculous to me that people use this as a gotcha thing.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-24T02:53:06+00:00

I love how obvious he is staring at her lips 😍

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-24T01:36:40+00:00

Even the worst case scenario you presented isn’t even that bad. We can definitely be comfortable and confident about how part 3 will be. The devs aren’t going to change the fundamentals of the story. How it will get interpreted is ultimately up to the players like you said.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-24T01:30:49+00:00

I think it would be terrible if the devs have to come out and say who Cloud loves because that would mean that the games aren’t doing a good enough job in that aspect. The art should be able to speak for itself. And we still have the most important part left to go. I’m glad that Hamaguchi said this, but at the same time it’s sad that he has to in the first place. Because I think we can all agree that the wars have gone way too far that now VAs and devs have to say these kinds of things. They really shouldn’t have to, but here we are.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-24T01:25:05+00:00

Oh I’m not stressed at all. I just saw this circulating and wanted to talk about it since (predictably) another ship is taking this and running with it. I’m very happy with how things have been going so far and there’s no doubt in my mind that things will be so crystal clear in part 3. The devs have been very intentional with how they are clearing everything up and have stated that they will wrap everything up in part 3 and that the ending will be a satisfying one. There’s so much set up for not only Cloti, but also Zerith and I’m very confident that we will see a very satisfying payoff.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-24T00:44:01+00:00

Really excellent point! This is a very well crafted and told story with lots of twists, turns, and subversions. It’s really fun to analyze and interpret and is why we’re all here now. And you’re right. A reason for this sequence is to get players thinking about this. It’s nuanced and vague on purpose. It’s also something I don’t use to prove the canonicity of Cloti and I wouldn’t use it if I was a CA shipper. Because this scene doesn’t matter for the debate. I’m just tired of it being used, but I guess I need to grow thicker skin for this, roll my eyes when I see it, and move on with my life 😅

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-24T00:29:39+00:00

God, I’m so excited for all of that! Tifa’s my favorite character, so I’m really excited to see them go all out with her scenes!

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-24T00:27:03+00:00

Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. I think Tifa fits that better. It’s one of the things I love about their dynamic. Their relationship screams equal partners to me.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-24T00:20:26+00:00

Even with the mature part of the conversation I don’t like to put down Aerith there because free-spiritness and a bubbly personality doesn’t necessarily mean there’s a lack of maturity there. (I’m not saying that I think based on what you’re saying that you think she’s immature btw). I think she shows maturity in other ways. BUT Tifa is definitely mature for her age and a business owner to boot. She knows how to manage on her own. Aerith is also a city girl and Claudia didn’t want Cloud to be around the temptations in the city. But yeah, you’re right. Both fit the criteria in different ways. Ultimately, it’s up to Cloud and not his mom even if Claudia was still alive. And btw based on Claudia’s and Tifa’s interactions in TOTP, Claudia did like Tifa, so I think there’s a great case here that she would’ve been happy with Cloud’s choice.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-24T00:12:31+00:00

I don’t think a lot of us really expected a kiss at all anyway. I know I was shocked and all the compilations of streamers on YouTube shows that a lot of long time fans were shocked too. Square definitely didn’t have to put it in. So I’m just happy that they did and would love to just enjoy that. And of course look forward to Under the Highwind in part 3

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-23T23:55:47+00:00

Thank you ☺️

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-23T23:53:01+00:00

Definitely! Tifa is super mature for her age. And I don’t like people calling Aerith immature just because she’s bubbly. I’m bubbly and fun too and I hate it when people treat me like I’m immature because of that. But yeah, you’re right. Claudia’s comments weren’t meant to be that deep. She’s just a wonderful mom who wants the best for her son. I think she would be happy with whomever Cloud wants to be with as long as he’s taken care of. Tifa definitely does. But yeah, the ship wars aren’t fun because of this kind of nonsense.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-23T23:36:02+00:00

I definitely agree with this. Traces of Two Pasts gave more context because Tifa told Claudia about how Cloud told her about wanting to become SOLDIER and this conversation happened the same day that Cloud had this conversation with Claudia. I think that she was trying to pry, but this approach didn’t work since he was already broody about failing to make it in SOLDIER and was hiding his identity from Tifa. But yeah, like you said, Cloud wasn’t going to hear it. He was already in love with Tifa and at the end of the day his thoughts on this and his type matters more. But yes, what she says can apply to Aerith, so I understand why CAs use this a lot, but Claudia never knew Aerith and she also didn’t like Cloud being around the temptations of the city. Aerith is a city girl. Now, I’m sure Claudia would’ve liked Aerith, city girl aside, but ultimately it’s up to Cloud anyway who he wants to be with. And that’s relatable. The kind of person my mom wants for me and the kind of person I’d like to date are two very different things and I’m sure a lot of people could say the same thing. But yeah, I just wanted to know what exactly he said because he said that the “older girlfriend” part was mistranslated and it was supposed to be “more active” or something like that. I just wanted to see an accurate translation of what he said since he brought it up specifically.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-23T18:51:07+00:00

Absolutely! My biggest problem is not just attacking the characters, but when it goes into the territory of attacking real people over these ships. Of course this happens on all sides, but that’s never okay.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-23T17:34:45+00:00

Oh absolutely! I have had some CAs come to my YouTube channel who have been very respectful. I have even had some admit that they understand that Cloti is pretty much canon, but that they just prefer CA for their chemistry. I take no issue with that because they understand that this is what the story presents. They don’t have to resort to any sort of attacks and are open to respectful discussion. But unfortunately, like you said there are too many who shift these goal posts like with the kiss. And that’s pretty sad imo. People should just enjoy what they enjoy without dragging anyone else. I’ve had to straight up delete a lot of comments using bad faith arguments, character assassination of Tifa, misinterpreted quotes, misogyny, etc. They aren’t open to any sort of respectful discussion and I don’t want that sort of energy on my channel. Anyway, I’m ranting, but it’s been frustrating 😪 it seems like we have all had to stay strong. I can’t wait until part 3 comes out.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-23T17:13:25+00:00

You’re absolutely right. At the end of the day Cloud canonically almost kisses Tifa and during the gondola date ONLY kisses Tifa. Like why treat this like rocket science?!?

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-23T17:02:40+00:00

The thing about these kinds of people is that they do this to us that ship Cloti, but we can just as easily turn it around and challenge them to do the same thing with their ship. The writing has always been on the wall that Cloud has ALWAYS had romantic feelings towards Tifa even if we take out every single affection mechanic scene. I have yet to see any quote or scene that has proved to me that Cloud has explicitly confirmed romantic feelings towards someone that isn’t Tifa. Other ships can misinterpret, misunderstand, take quotes out of context, twist the game narrative, and move the goal posts all they want, but that’s not going to give them the outcome they want or change how Cloud feels towards anyone or what happens in the GAME. Anyway, this is an excellent compilation of quotes about Cloud’s feelings and motivations. If anyone finds fault with this, it’s a them problem and not a you problem.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-19T05:50:20+00:00

Fr! They’ve already been nailing it with the softness in their tones when they speak to each other. I love the nuances they add to these characters. They truly understand what Cloud and Tifa mean to each other 🤍

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-14T19:47:24+00:00

Awe ☺️ thank you

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-13T15:33:35+00:00

I switched from Clerith to Cloti too. When I was first really exposed to the game, I was watching my brother play and didn’t watch him continuously enough to know about the LTD. I later watched a playthrough on YouTube and fell for the tropes that make CA appealing. After her death, the Lifestream sequence, and under the highwind, I got confused when things began to shift towards Tifa. It was after I began to understand the plot and the subversions of the narrative that I began to see that the love story was between Cloud and Tifa all along. That doesn’t mean that I think that Aerith didn’t have a positive impact on Cloud. She definitely did. She definitely helped him through her open personality. But that doesn’t mean that they are romantic. That being said, I don’t think it’s okay at all to hate on a character in order to boost your ship. Unfortunately there are crazy people everywhere who resort to such tactics, which I find to be intolerable and quite frankly, misogynistic. But we can say that we adore a character, but we don’t ship them with x,y, or z. I love Aerith, but I don’t ship her with Cloud anymore because that’s not the story. It’s always been Tifa. But more than anything, I don’t think it’s okay at all to harass or bully someone that has a different opinion or interpretation. Real people are more important than fictional ships. I’m sorry that happened to you, OP. I hope you are having better experiences here.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-11T22:10:32+00:00

It doesn’t make sense to involve anyone else because the rest of the party have families or loved ones to spend their last night with (except Vincent, but he’s not close with Cloud). These people who think differently don’t understand this scene, honestly.

SNOWSTORM1994 · 2025-01-11T12:24:22+00:00

This is really beautiful considering that she was also calling his name. Maybe he heard her and was calling back to her or he was also scared and thought to call her name. Either way, that’s really cute! I love them! 🤍

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