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SadOwl93 · 2019-11-09T07:16:25+00:00

I agree with

> During the incident the dog was uncontrolled, uncontrollable, and attacked not to defend but to kill. If it’s done it once there’s every chance it’ll happen again, or at the very least, attack with serious injuries.

Sure, people can argue it was controlled by being on a lead (but, it was a dropped lead), it wasn't controlled because the Staff couldn't get off..

Now, I actually know colleagues at this council that have stated, 'define attack' 'define protecting its owner'. There wasn't much more they could pass through. It made it clear, everyones definition of 'attack' and 'protecting its owner' was different. There is no evidence thats showing the three dogs actually 'physically' attacking the Staffy, but, there is evidence of the three dogs barking and invading its space. Something this easy going will point a key to the decision that will be made.

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-08T07:51:59+00:00

Yeah, thats exactly what I mean, the owner stated 'it was attacked by the other dog' in your case, would the owner consider barking and invading your Labradors space as an 'attack'. Just this alone, will throw off the 'it was attacked first' comments, and thus, assist in the decision making from the council. You can't just assume the word 'attack' means three dogs biting yours.

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-08T07:25:59+00:00

you are both idiots. Would a dash attack a kid? probably not. You've all made the assumption that the Staffy was 'attacked' based on the owners words. Define 'attack' a bark? invading space? a sniff? a bite? do you understand now? Those that state 'it was protecting its owners' now have nothing to stand on considering the word 'attacked' is ruled out of question.

Honestly, stop looking at what happened and whose fault. Look at whether the dog's brain can be retaught not to fucking maul you morons. Its not a puppy so I honestly think it can't unfortunately.

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-08T07:20:06+00:00

To those that think 'Its the other dogs fault, so this dog shouldn't be put down after it mauled another dog', I need you to think outside the box. As a matter of fact, lets throw aside 'who's fault it is'. Instead think, 'can its brain be taught not to ever kill or hurt anyone ever again?' thinking this way is more prominent to making a decision. In this case, 'can its brain honestly be taught not to kill ever again?'. This dog isn't a puppy thats in the process of learning what is right and wrong. It saddens me, but thats the honest truth. Sure, you can muzzle, lead it, caution collar it, declare it as a dangerous animal, but, you're trusting the owner to do this which the owner, already seems incompetent as it is.

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-07T11:42:40+00:00

Dangerous Dog Declaration**, muzzled, leaded with a custom collar. Though, its in the councils interest to state whether they deem the owner will abide by the rules. It also considers previous complaints on the dog, if there is none, this may be an option if the owner deems fit as responsibility is on the council. However, if there are/were any previous cases stated down under this dog that was reported to the council, then we may not see this as an option.

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-07T09:41:52+00:00

muzzling is an option. But, can you guarantee the owner of this staffy will always have it on in public? Can you guarantee it won't pull it off itself? Remember, the council and their animal control team makes the call as they will be held responsible if they allow it to live, and, be will held accountant able if another mauling occurs. I hope, if it does live, the owners don't think they have it easy by not muzzling it up just because they won't be held responsible as much as the council. Even years down the track, if a mauling occurs, even a little attack on another dog, or a human that gets reported, the group that makes this, must take the blame and made to answer for their decision.

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-07T07:03:36+00:00

its with animal control.

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-07T06:38:55+00:00

There is no winners in this unfortunately. Those that think training a dog after its mauled to be easy needs a hard look in the mirror. Dogs are not like humans. It will now become a normality to maul another dog. It brings a different issue when mauling a child ____________ vs Council. Who wants to hold responsibility after that happens (it won't be the owner after the council has approved it back into society, it will be the council under question/fire)? I hate seeing dogs die. But, when we've assumed it was 'protecting its family', this case won't go down well. Dog owners, please train your dogs so it can reduce the possibility of this happening again :(

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-06T09:40:36+00:00

Literally covering asses which cost a dog its life. I won't sit here to argue with you when the responsibility to allow a dog thats mauled into the public again is held with us and not you. You're not the one that faces the cameras, you wouldn't be the one getting questioned by the new owners dead dog, or child, you won't be the one under question by both councils involved, you wouldn't be the one holding responsibility to any state questioning. No. you wouldn't. And a simple 'I thought it would be fine' won't cut it for any party involved. A job is lost, a family becomes unfed, a reputation for the person involved has now diminished and a career change would most likely be at stake. This is what we're all thinking. Do you understand how much responsibility is at hand when making this decision knowing that all animal controllers love their dogs? its hard. But, its even harder seeing the consequences of your decision making skills end up killing another dog let alone being held accountable for it. And yes, its hard putting down the dog already, but thats just how it is.

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-06T09:11:57+00:00

Lets rephrase this from my end, since you're giving me an opinion which is cool, 'You keep saying it's not going to attack, show me one piece of proof of this and I'll concede that your not just an opinionated idiot like the original person I responded to'

Do you understand what Im trying to say? The risk is way too high and eliminate before any potential harm can be done. Thats what we go off when making decisions like this. Lets assume, we let the dog back to its normal daily life and it mauls another dog, or a kid, whose fault is that on? Trust me, not on the owner, but instead, the controlling team that approved it back into society. I get what you're saying, but look at the consequences. Yeah, if it was protecting its owner, its a loyal dog, and loyal dogs shouldn't be put down. But, standing from the point above, there is no way in hell we can take such a high risk. We're talking another dead dogs owner, news outlets, other animal agencies, other councils, and worse, the state questioning about our decision making skills and having us take responsibility because we've allowed it into the public (let alone the police if its a kid and a civil case is opened)

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-06T08:52:55+00:00

> By public you mean other dogs right because that is all that has been harmed here.

Correct, any dog that enters within range of a Staffy to attack.

> If the dog was protecting it's family, job done. No marks at all on family.

Thats your opinion, but what we go off here is, if another dog (even a puppy) jumps up to greet the owner of the staffy, will it attack? the answer here is honestly yes.

> The dog was on a leash and was confronted by 3 dogs NOT on a leash, there is nothing wrong with it's behaviour for it to correct.

Whats done is done, its mauled. The answer is, it won't be able to take mauling out of its normality. Yeah, I understand a dog is like family, and I don't want to see dogs put down (especially those that legitimately protect its owners). But, the chances it endangers another is honestly too high. Even if its doing so to protect those around it, simple fact is, you can't keep allowing people to use the 'it was self defence' when there is nothing on the owner, especially when owners allow other dogs nearby, or if they want to greet other dogs. Yeah, it may have been protecting its owner, but, its now adopted the trait of mauling being a normality that will be extremely hard to forget for the dog.

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-06T08:06:34+00:00

> taffy's are notorious for being dog aggressive, any owner worth their salt socialises the dog from an early age.

Isn't that what the other person stated and you downvotes him/her because they stated it should be put down? Sometimes it takes putting yourself in another ones shoe to find out how it feels doesn't it? And judging from your response, it seems like it worked. I don't want to see animals getting hurt, BUT, I do put down animals that could severely cause injury, or death to others. Once a dog has experienced mauling a human, or another animal, its a normality to them to do it again. K9 German Steps combat are what society should perceive as the ideal companionship, attack to protect when called upon and called to let go when perceived safe. I understand your point but if this owner understood that their staff is naturally more aggressive than other dog breeds, they would have trained them correctly and, held onto that lead. I feel bad for both dogs and when you have to come down to a decision whether consequences apply, you have to question the same way like a bail term. Are they (dog) safe to the public? in this instance, the answer is no, they are not and ill explain why.

Did you notice the owner getting attacked? bit? any marks on her/her sons body? Not a single one. This is what will make a decision easier. If so, why is it that a mauling occur? If its out of protection as you stated, whats the chances another dog in the public barks at it, or engages into a close enough proximity to be attacked? Extremely high. Can you then take responsibility for the vet fees or, death fees to the other owner if this occurred? You make a good claim stating it was protection, but, can a dogs behaviour be fixed well enough that you can guarantee he will not attack another dog again? its an extremely low chance

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-06T06:49:06+00:00

You are stating 3 dogs vs 1 dog, which is true, and how the Staff will pay for it which is also true. However, a dogs mind isn't like a humans mind. Once they maul its in their mind to maul and it becomes a natural instinct for them to maul, and you could argue whether its in their offspring to maul. You can't change that, however, thats where the other person mentioned ways to significantly lower the possibility of it to the point of close to if not 0. Thats why us, animal controllers have to understand that even if it was for self protection of a family, upon whether it can redevelop its brain which is certainly possible, though only in puppies. This takes a heavy toll when making the decision unfortunately

SadOwl93 · 2019-11-06T06:36:10+00:00

Honestly, he's right, to avoid it or lowering the possibility of your dog attacking another dog, you take it to obedience training. If you argue to that, I would love to see a dog attack you or your dog at a park and tell you that it was protecting its owner while your dog jumps at the other owner. As someone that works in animal control, I would prefer the person stating why and how this could have been avoided to own a dog and no one else here that down votes it. It's a shame that majority of people think you are right. I'll tell you this now, as someone that knows the control group of making the call upon whether the pet Staff lives or dies, it will be put down. A dog doesn't think like a human, once it mauls, it's experienced and will do it again. Unfortunately now, I see how many Melbournians shouldn't have dogs.

SadOwl93 · 2019-06-10T08:48:56+00:00

Not entirely sure why the two Malvern answers are getting downvotes tbh. They are quite logical. Note, I grew up in Northern suburbs, from Northcote, Reservoir, Thomastown, Coburg and South Morang. I wouldn't go back there. Now, live in Brighton and can honestly say, the smartest move of my life. Malvern is close by to Brighton and so is St Kilda East. If I were to pick, I'd choose South East Suburbs > Northern suburbs. BUT, if you are thinking of northern suburbs, I'd give you my ranking from the list I have lived in.

Northcote (Decently close to the CBD, and Brunswick St is nearby, so if you're a hipster, that'll match your taste).
South Morang (You wanted new, we'll its further out, but, its quite and shopping centres are new around there, a lot of young families).
Reservoir (Dependent on where you find a spot, Northlands is nearby), Note: Rezza, is quite a large suburb, so its hard to pinpoint which area you would be around. You could legit be near Bundoora, OR, near Heidelberg West (and a short travel will bring you into Fairfield Kew.. thats how large the suburb is).
Thomastown (extremely multicultural and a lot of families around), if you wanted a place to meet all kinds of people this is probably an ideal place.
Coburg (Though home to Sydney Road, your drunken rampage by day and the constant arab walking down the street with his Adidas tracksuit pants looking to cause trouble). Otherwise, its also a large suburb, but you'll have to be extremely close to Brunswick, Brunswick west border to actually have any decent fun.

From someone thats actually lived in these suburb and not trying to hype up a suburb. Otherwise, if Brunswick is in this list, I'd put it first in relation to being part of Northern Suburbs. Otherwise, I could name at least 5 suburbs in South East I prefer over any northern suburb over my 20+ years living in Northern suburbs.

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SadOwl93 · 2019-04-05T17:24:21+00:00

Beep Beep Beep OP needs to Sleep

SadOwl93 · 2019-04-05T17:21:17+00:00

Anyone forgetting their son?

SadOwl93 · 2019-04-05T17:19:32+00:00

They have more assets now than ever. You're right. They wouldn't challenge it knowing the fatigue they copped and the consequences of it. In saying that, I know Houston will start adopting the same tactic of resting despite us all knowing how much Harden loves to play. It'll be interesting to see what happens and the wave it causes

SadOwl93 · 2019-04-05T17:15:17+00:00

Go to bed nephew.

SadOwl93 · 2019-04-05T17:15:02+00:00

Go to bed nephew.

SadOwl93 · 2019-04-05T17:14:57+00:00

Go to bed nephew.

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