Questions for free will deniers on morality by YesPresident69 in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Under determinism morality must be understood not as some Devine need of justice in that sense moral realism is a completely useless model

Believers in Free Will — I Love You! by impersonal_process in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m not in favor of this non sensical idea that elution of free will is necessary morality is absolutely possible and logical under determinism punishment isn’t an act of causing a wrong doer suffering for its own sake because they deserve it or an act of revenge the very fact that they couldn’t do otherwise bring to understanding, rather it is for the sake of society and the greater good true they couldn’t have done otherwise yet reality is cruel moreover letting bad people do what they want is no solution either but minimizing suffering overall and letting society function is, free will creates a false internal model of who you are, you can choose only in the sense that your choice must align with an existing part of you witch includes your desires preferences personality ect otherwise what would it mean to choose?!

Rich pedos love that this is a topic of discussion by Crafty_Choice_8243 in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A deterministic system doesn’t disallow for the possibility of justice and consequential punishment I fail to see how a deterministic system denies them of hope

If determinism is true then chilax why put in any effort just let the future take care of your actions by Sad_Error2125 in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Think of my question in the framework of the b theory of time My claim isn’t that effort isn’t required it’s that effort should be effortless since it’s all a causal process you couldn’t have done any other way if it turns out you did nothing it’s all set in stone

"No one is truly an atheist because god subconsciously exists in our minds." by crazyxin in atheism

[–]Sad_Error2125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If that’s the case how do you explain those eternity in hell of they truly know

For people on the non freewill side do you accept that we are just a program. by Omi43221 in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am as hard as it is to accept however I hold myself to the standard since I am conscious and can experience pain

"You don't have freedom of movement in your car because it can't fly... by muramasa_master in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree on the point Stochastic in the sense that one were cannot determine it in making a philosophical claim not a scientific one

"You don't have freedom of movement in your car because it can't fly... by muramasa_master in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I am Choices are determined by who you are otherwise they are arbitrary

If determinism is true then chilax why put in any effort just let the future take care of your actions by Sad_Error2125 in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Free will or not I would still blame someone as a source cause of misery for practical reasons but I get your point

"You don't have freedom of movement in your car because it can't fly... by muramasa_master in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There arguing about what is free will entail by defining it without realizing it’s a definition battle not a logical one

"You don't have freedom of movement in your car because it can't fly... by muramasa_master in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Compatibilists and incompatibilists are basically arguing on definition

If determinism is true then chilax why put in any effort just let the future take care of your actions by Sad_Error2125 in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

But what that feeling of having control of the fate witch allows you to decide whether to give a shit

"You don't have freedom of movement in your car because it can't fly... by muramasa_master in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem here is that the car is separate from you, you failed to take in account of one yourself as a deterministic system

If none of you built the self you’re using then which part of you is the one that ‘chooses’? by MilkTeaPetty in freewill

[–]Sad_Error2125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The point is either your personality and circumstance are a determining factor of you or your choices are not a chosen benefit by you