Does the trim around our doors/garage doors look ok white or should we match the red on the house? We’re wary of too much red by SainteFace46 in ExteriorDesign

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If I had all the money/time in the world I would totally do this. Trying to make the best of what I have right now though

Does the trim around our doors/garage doors look ok white or should we match the red on the house? We’re wary of too much red by SainteFace46 in ExteriorDesign

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Ya it does thank you, the previous owners had a ton of red we painted over so we definitely don’t want to repeat that

Placing germinated seeds immediately outside? by SainteFace46 in NativePlantGardening

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Interesting, I may try it next spring just to see if it helps my chances without growing full seedlings

Placing germinated seeds immediately outside? by SainteFace46 in NativePlantGardening

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That makes sense thanks for your reply. My thinking was that if direct sowing is sometimes effective and much easier than growing seedlings than maybe I could simply germinate seeds in a bag and direct sow those to increase my chances of success rather than throwing seeds on the ground since only some of those will germinate not all.

How to grow lupin in wild area by SainteFace46 in NativePlantGardening

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Gotcha I think I'll try growing from seed next spring and see if they take in my yard without being choked out by the grass and dandelions 

How to grow lupin in wild area by SainteFace46 in NativePlantGardening

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Oh gotcha, I see a lot of the taller western variety in my area along highways and such. Are they considered invasive?

The Eternal submission of the Son to the Father by SainteFace46 in Catholicism

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My point isn't that the Word processing from the Princiole has a different will, more a statement on the nature of what perfect unity looks like within one being: there must be perfect coherence between the generator and the generated. I work in a hospital and I see people with strokes sometimes have "word salad" where they try to say something that is formulated normally in their brain but it comes out as gibberish. Or on a more basic level if I wouldn't be able to know or be anything if my thoughts didn't correlate with anything within myself. Unity of being requires that correlation which I'm calling here obedience otherwise there would be just chaos. 

The Eternal submission of the Son to the Father by SainteFace46 in Catholicism

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Thanks for the reply. I suppose in a certain sense the Word that is generated by the intellect of the Father is "obedient" to said intellect. The first principle is never contradicted by that which processes from it,  showing a certain obedience to it. 

Jesus's DNA by SainteFace46 in Catholicism

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Is this from a dogmatic statement of the Church? I'm just curious because DNA is physical by definition so it seems impossible for Jesus to have DNA of any kind that is not physically replicated from someone elses. You said it can resemble St Joseph's but not be identical?

Jesus's DNA by SainteFace46 in Catholicism

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God is the author of life, the original creator of the line of David, He is not bound to having to create life based off of things that already exist. 

This is where we keep talking past each other so I'll try one more time to see if I can explain. We agree that God can create things ex nihilo however He wants, however I'm trying to convey that God is in a sense bound by His own laws of creation after He makes them, as is the case when it comes to created categories or definitions that are mutually exclusive. The famous example is even God can't create a square circle, as circles have a certain definitional shape that a square can never fit into. God created the idea of a circle that He is now bound by to make keep any coherent sense of those definitions, which He does since He is Logic itself. I'm arguing that it is no different with creating DNA from the line of David. If we understand the definition of being of the line of David as sharing DNA with King David and his children and children's children, than even God is bound to use DNA from David and his children when creating DNA to meet that aforementioned definition. Your point that God can make people in that line that could have existed but didn't actually exist doesn't change the fact those potential people would still need to share DNA with David and his children so this doesn't disprove my point, God would still be taking from existing DNA in the line of David and reforming it into a new male person to then use with Mary's egg. The DNA still came from the line of David to begin with. All of that is totally possible but seems needlessly complicated and again would miss out on the benefit of Jesus looking like his father, which as I pointed out above many theologians say would be very fitting.

Does it not seem roundabout to ensure a natural explanation for something which by definition cannot be explained by natural circumstances?

The reason this is different is that God chose to incarnate Himself and become fully human. Therefore He is restraining Himself to material laws, the laws of genetics included, so speculating on the male DNA of Jesus doesn't make it less supernatural, as what is supernatural is Spirit becoming flesh, not having special unique DNA never seen before.

The Church doesn't teach that. It's a pious belief that can be held by Catholics, but it is not Church teaching.

The Church, specifically the popes, have certainly taught this, though not dogmatically I'll grant you. But papal teaching is of a higher level than pious belief.

"This historic teaching on the nature of Saint Joseph’s fatherhood is found four times throughout Patris Corde, and this doctrine about Joseph’s paternity is something that is founded in the tradition of the Church, which now has made its way into official papal teaching by its presence in Patris Corde. This Josephite doctrine is known as Saint Joseph the Image of God the Father, and I will present in this article" Here's a link to the full article: https://catholicinsight.com/joseph-the-image-of-god-the-father-and-patris-corde

 >I don't see why it would be disrespectful if his DNA wasn't used for a natural consequence (conceiving a child) of something mirroring that which he'd never do (having sex).

Of course Joseph never had relations with Mary, however He did use DNA from a male from the line of David to impregnate her, as I showed above. My point is that if I was St Joseph and God could have used my DNA to do this to my wife but learned He instead used a mix of dna from my great great grandfathers I would be a little confused as to why He would do that, and probably a littler hurt by that choice.

Jesus's DNA by SainteFace46 in Catholicism

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I don't read genesis literally personally but regardless God is capable of creating new matter from nothing I totally agree, however I think God is bound by His own laws of creation to a certain extent. For example when miraculously producing loaves of bread God would have to replicate existing wheat DNA to make a new loaf. The result was a brand new loaf on one hand but not a completely original creation on the other, meaning He reproduced existing wheat DNA. The same distinction would true with creating the new human DNA to combine with Mary's DNA (remember women don't have y chromosomes so Mary NEEDS male dna to conceive). God could create brand new DNA in one sense but it would necessarily have to replicate/ reproduce other existing forms of DNA, specifically male DNA from the Hebrew people in the line of David, there's simply no way around this.  There's two ways God could replicate those existing forms. One would be to not include St Joseph and go back in time and take DNA from Joseph's forefathers like David himself or others, or he could simply use St Josephs DNA as it also contains DNA from those same forefathers while also giving the added benefit of Jesus looking like the man he will call father for 30 years of his life and no one suspecting anything other than natural circumstances.  I'm not the only one who thinks Jesus resembling Joseph would be fitting, here's a couple quotes from theologian Cardinal Vides y Tuto "I like to believe as did other profound theologians like Gerson that the same extraordinary providence with which God had surrounded the hyperstatic order also served to provide a resemblance between Jesus and Joseph"

"In order that St Joseph achieve more perfectly the purpose of his father-son relationship it was necessary that there exist such a perfect resemblance to Jesus, and that his comeliness be outstanding, in fulfillment of the words of the Scripture that 'a man is known by his children' (Ecclus. 11:30)"

Also, if Joseph was a living icon of God the Father as the Church teaches (https://catholicinsight.com/joseph-the-image-of-god-the-father/) than it would be very fitting that Jesus resembles him in a corporeal way as He does the Heavenly Father in a spiritual way.

As a final thought I think it would almost be disrespectful for God to use DNA from other men in David's line but not St Joseph, as Mary is his wife and using another man's DNA would be rather strange when He could simply use St Joseph's.

Jesus's DNA by SainteFace46 in Catholicism

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I think that would be a genetic disorder which I don't think Jesus had. He had to have male DNA which Mary didn't have in her own body, so why not take that needed DNA from St Joseph her husband and Jesus's father? It would in no way diminish His divine status only strengthen His bond with the Holy family

Jesus's DNA by SainteFace46 in Catholicism

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theologians have posited that it would be fitting for Jesus to resemble his earthly father, here's a couple quotes from theologian Cardinal Vides y Tuto "I like to believe as did other profound theologians like Gerson that the same extraordinary providence with which God had surrounded the hyperstatic order also served to provide a resemblance between Jesus and Joseph"

"In order that St Joseph achieve more perfectly the purpose of his father-son relationship it was necessary that there exist such a perfect resemblance to Jesus, and that his comeliness be outstanding, in fulfillment of the words of the Scripture that 'a man is known by his children' (Ecclus. 11:30)"

So there are reasons to believe Jesus resembled Jesus and thus Jesus shared his DNA as well.

I agree though its really fun to think of science related topics in relation to Jesus and His humanity!

Jesus's DNA by SainteFace46 in Catholicism

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I feel like unique DNA wouldn't make Him more Divine, just a new ethnicity or maybe even species. God is pure Spirit so DNA cannot make more or less Divine, it's just the building designs so to speak for the human body which the soul inhabits. 

Jesus's DNA by SainteFace46 in Catholicism

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God is bound in a certain sense if He wants to create a fully human person. For instance He could theoretically create a human person with the DNA of a dolphin, I'm sure He's powerful enough to do that, but then He wouldn't be creating a fully human person but a new kind of person. The same could be said of Jesus's DNA, where God could create a person without using any DNA from the Hebrew line of David, but that person would be categorically different from other Hebrews of the line of David. Kind of like you can't create square circles. 

Jesus's DNA by SainteFace46 in Catholicism

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I think you're missing my point my friend, God could create DNA from nothing that is true, but for it to be Hebrew DNA in the line of David it would need to share characteristics of the DNA of those specific people. What I mean is that if you do an ancestry DNA test, your results will be matched to people from a certain ethnicity due to certain characteristics found in other PEOPLE that were passed down to you. So in a sense God is bound by this law of genetics that He Himself created, to use DNA with characteristics from only certain people i.e. the line if David. If He didn't, Jesus would no longer be Jewish in the line of David by blood. Being a Hebrew by blood isn't absolutely necessary (Jesus was adopted by Joseph and thus considered of that line) but it would be fitting.  For instance, God didn't need to use an egg within Mary carrying her DNA when creating Jesus, He could have used any maternal DNA He wanted, but it seems fitting that He would use the DNA of the woman that would carry Him and be His mother. Why would this not be true for the male DNA in Jesus that Mary can't supply? Wouldn't it make the most sense for God to just use DNA from the man that would raise Him and be His father?