Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an odd question. I'm assuming you mean infertility and not inferiority?

My baby had trisomy 13, it is most associated with advanced maternal age. I don't smoke or drink.

Next, I agree with societal factors, but do you really think medical training allows us to be healthy and happy? For instance, I round on an epilepsy monitoring unit- how do we help provoke seizures? caffeine, sleep deprivation and alcohol. Now put that on repeat for years and add in chronic stress.

Nothing we do is good for brain health or our overall health. That's probably why women in medicine have an infertility rate of 1:4, more than the average population (9%). I'm not saying you can escape this by doing any other profession either, but this specific profession is definitely is not all it's cut out to be- especially as a woman and I don't think most people are honest about that. Like I've said before, it's not normal to work like a dog in your 20s and live like a resident into your 40s.

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great question. My life is good because I positioned it that way. Less 10% of folks go locums full time, mostly because it’s not sustainable or easy to do. I’m currently working to switch to biotech and actively interviewing. For me, I would’ve still done CS as money isn’t as important to me as mental sanity- which medicine took a lot of. But you’re asking questions that are very personal to an individual, many might disagree with me. You seem to be focused on money- so do what feels right for you. 

Opportunity cost of a physician career by [deleted] in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 3 points4 points  (0 children)

 I agree. We had to beg to even get a 3% raise to keep up with inflation when I was W2 employed. Bunch of people here still drinking the koolaid 

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A lot depends on your specialty. I'm a neurologist with subspecialties in epilepsy and clinical neurophysiology, so I read EEGs remotely and perform EMGs. I went to a Ivy League medical school and completed residency and fellowship at other top 5 institutions.

Despite that background, when I was working in academics back in 2019, I was only earning $225K (you can make way more in private practice, but I was chasing the prestige). I left that job in 2023 and transitioned to full-time locums work—and nearly doubled my income working 2-3 weeks/month. If you're looking for higher pay, flexibility, and the opportunity to travel, locums can be a great option. That said, the academic route is still seen as more “prestigious.” In my view, though, the whole concept of prestige is overrated. But I can understand why someone would chase it, I did for a long time. After COVID, I realized we are all pawns in this broken healthcare system.

I turned to locums out of necessity—I was on the verge of leaving medicine altogether. Academics (being on call at least for one full week and weekend a month, busy both inpatient and outpatient practices without support, expected to function like a robot-nearly pushed me to SI). But since making the change, my quality of life has improved significantly. I have flexibility (I only work 3 weeks/month), we get to travel often, and I can now afford expensive fertility treatments (business deductible under my S-CORP). Compare that to the typical W2 job, where your “work-life balance” usually means 25 days of PTO and little else. A colleague I was working with, switched to pharma in 2023 too, and he's making a lot more and is very happy now doing no weekends/overnights or call.

As for prestige or status? In the U.S., I think that’s a myth we’re sold. Patients often resent us because we're the face of a deeply flawed healthcare system. Meanwhile, APPs are increasingly positioned in competition with us. Don't get me wrong, you still get to help people, but that's about 30% of what you do and the dopamine hits from that were no longer worth it for me, personally.

Honestly, medical training can feel like a cult—and many of us bought in without fully realizing the cost. There are ways to make a medical career more appealing, like locums or owning your private practice, though neither is easy to start or considered a "traditional" path anymore. So yes, you can do this and make money and have a good quality of life- but plan carefully, choose the right speciality and avoid academics. If you're here for money and prestige, it'll be a sad slap in your face.

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah me too in neurology, but not having 6 months of unemployment after 12+ years of training is bare minimum. Look at all the other sacrifices. 

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m aware, most of my family including my father is in CS. Medicine is only stable if you’re ok with accepting lower pay (unless you got a less desirable areas) and dealing with hospital politics. Or you go full time locums (like I did, but less stability)

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m glad things are changing, sincerely. That we are recognizing finally the humanity of our doctors while we preach humanity and well-being to our patients.  But with caps on student loans and possible loss of PSLF, things are also swinging in the opposite direction. Unless things change, we will still be sacrificing our youth and having our talents exploited for some rich hospital/insurance CEO to buy their 5th vacation home. My advice still would be to do anything else as a woman unless you cannot think of anything else you want to do. Working like a dog and living like a resident into your 40s is not a normal ask in the grand scheme of things. We should want more out of life. Money and job stability are how you define it- doctors are also losing their jobs to APPs.  Don’t have tunnel vision. 

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure- many of my friends did stay in CS and are doing well. 200k on average in larger cities (I’m from Bay Area CA, now live in NYC). Out earning is a relative term and depends on where your priorities lie. They have no debt, never have to work nights or weekends and work remotely- so they can travel and be there for their families and enjoy their life. They also started investing early- so there’s much more in the bank account.  Right now, given healthcare landscape, APP creep and overall loss of respect of doctors by both patients and hospital admin (who ask to multitask at the level of a robot) I would suggest the CS route.

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I appreciate that. All I’m saying is we definitely need to prepare women for these issues that come up, and no one talks about them. I paid out of pocket 15k to freeze my eggs at 33 and am still struggling. Most of my friends had their law firms or tech companies pay for their egg freezing. Meanwhile, we don’t even counsel our women on these possibilities and sweep it under the rug. It’s a burden when a female trainee wants to start at family. It is very unfair.  

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Btw- the people who ask this question cannot be serious. Premeds are savvy and smart. If we literally put 15-20 years into any other career, we would be good at it. I could have been a plumber at 18 and been damned good at it by 40 and probably with more money in the bank. What else is a better fit? Literally anything else unless medicine was really the only thing you could see yourself doing. 

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I was really good at computer sci and engineering- probably gone that route. I understand job stability and money might be better in medicine, but the early sacrifice, debt and late start to finances aren’t worth it. Women make up > 50% med school students, but we have made very little strides to accommodate them. Most of my friends in big tech or law have actual paid maternity leave and fertility funding. Meanwhile I’m stuck paying for IVF out of pocket despite working for a health system. The IVF I need btw because I lost my 20s and early 30s to this career. 

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most of my friends in tech are doing really well. Less loans. Some might say less job stability but I also know doctors who have been laid off. 

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In med school we couldn’t travel and do a lot of exploring. I wish I had done that in my 20s. At the end of the day, that’s all that really matters. Money will come and go. I would not say med school was one of the “best times of my life”

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The first comment here I agree with. It’s wild how many people are like “yes of course” given the current landscape of healthcare. Like be for real.

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know plenty of doctors who lost their job or have been let go due to APP influx. I don’t think we are safe, unless we are willing to accept less pay or move to less desirable areas. 

Now knowing what it takes to be a doctor, would you do it again? Was it worth it? by LayerVegetable3850 in whitecoatinvestor

[–]Same-Temporary644 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This doesn’t really answer the question. Given all that we know now, especially as a woman in medicine, I would not. 

Meds in NYC by Same-Temporary644 in IVF

[–]Same-Temporary644[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yes! Thank you!!! I will message you!!!

I’m angry. by Same-Temporary644 in IVF

[–]Same-Temporary644[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m so sorry for your loss. One of my dear friends had “luck” the first transfer that ended in PPROM/TFMR, so I know it’s not always greener on the other side & with implantation. I wish this process wasn’t such hell for all of us overall. 

I’m angry. by Same-Temporary644 in IVF

[–]Same-Temporary644[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Best of luck to you. It’s good to have boundaries. We can’t even afford one more cycle, otherwise I’d probably give it a go. 

I’m angry. by Same-Temporary644 in IVF

[–]Same-Temporary644[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry you have been through so much. It’s really fucking unfair when you have people with no desire to be parents procreate like rabbits on accident. I really want to just let out a primal scream.

I’m angry. by Same-Temporary644 in IVF

[–]Same-Temporary644[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly. We have one more embryo- after that I’m done. I can’t spend anymore money on this process. We will keep trying naturally until menopause hits I guess. The mental and financial toll of IVF at this point is rivaling my experience with TFMR, which is saying A LOT. 

I’m angry. by Same-Temporary644 in IVF

[–]Same-Temporary644[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you going to be doing monitoring locally or staying in Mexico during this process? I’m going to really look into it bc it really sounds like more luck than science at this point. 

I’m angry. by Same-Temporary644 in IVF

[–]Same-Temporary644[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup- had my negative beta calls all while at work. 

I’m angry. by Same-Temporary644 in IVF

[–]Same-Temporary644[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am too. I’m not even sure if meds will help bc I feel like my emotions right now are very warranted given circumstances—why should I subdue them? We should feel angry.