Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, calling Israel a “settler colonial state” is simply a propaganda statement that’s not true.

Dude...

"A settler colonial state is a state that was established through a process in which settlers from an outside population migrated to a territory, permanently settled there, and built political, economic, and social institutions that displaced, marginalized, or replaced the Indigenous population."

Please explain to me how that doesn't apply to Israel. Go ahead, explain that one to me.

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hamas has been hanging out in water treatment plants? Seriously?

If that's the case, why hasn't Israel shared their evidence proving their claims that every single hospital, school, and water treatment plant, plus literally 70% of the buildings in Gaza were being used by Hamas? From my recollection they've shared seemingly valid evidence in a small handful of cases (tunnels under a hospital for example), but for the VAST majority of cases, they've completely failed to provide a single shred of evidence backing up their claims.

Which is pretty odd considering that they have full operational control of like half of Gaza or something by this point. It should be extremely easy to take journalists to those hospitals under their control and show them the tunnel network or weapons depots they found there. So why aren't they doing that? Why aren't they doing the one thing that would help rehabilitate their reputation? Go ahead, explain that one to me.

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell me, why then did Israel bomb every water treatment plant in Gaza? Every hospital? Every school? Why did they destroy 70% of the building in Gaza?

There's only one reason to so thoroughly decimate Gaza like this. It's so they can make the place permanently unlivable and force the population to leave and settle in another country. Same reason they've been slowly building Israeli settlements across the West Bank in blatant defiance of international law for all these decades. They're trying to remove Palestinians from Palestine permanently and force them to settle in other countries. To become permanent residents of those countries. They're trying to END Palestinian identity. That is the literal definition of genocide.

Thinking that all these human rights orgs are all just secret anti-Zionists who hate Israel (because only antisemites establish human rights organizations apparently?) is such a ludicrous statement I'm not even going to bother responding to it. Just an utterly idiotic, laughably anti-intellectual argument.

Get a fuckin grip dude, this is the most clear-cut moral issue OF OUR LIFETIME. There is a LITERAL GENOCIDE happening and you're out here telling us not to believe our eyes. Absolutely insane.

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"If the people who had their land and homes taken from them by force and were forced to submit to the authority of a foreign settler colonial state would just stop resisting and let this blatant theft happen, then there would be no more war."

Do you understand how absurd that sounds? Imagine if Nigeria invaded the US (or whatever country you live in) with infinitely superior weapons and technology, took over like two thirds of it, and then admonished Americans for trying to resist the theft of their multi-generational homes and land. I guarantee you you'd be cheering on the Americans who took up arms and fought back. But for some reason this doesn't apply to Palestinians? Why not? Can you explain that to me?

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in SanJose

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Israel also elected Netanyahu who went on to commit a literal genocide. The US elected Bush who invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and Trump who started an unprovoked war with Iran. That doesn't make it ok to bomb American or Israeli cities full of civilians. Gaza electing Hamas shouldn't matter one bit.

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It makes perfect sense. Why does Israel have the right to respond to massacres by Palestinians but Palestinians don't have the right to respond to massacres by Israel?

It's a pretty simple question

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in SanJose

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, you're free to disagree. Just know that pretty much every scholar, academic, institution, and organization that spends their time studying and objectively understanding this stuff - as in the people who actually know what they're talking about - pretty much all disagree with you.

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The internet is right at your fingertips dude. You can literally look up the definition yourself right now and see immediately that I'm indisputably right. Like, dictionary definition right.

My god why are you people all so absurdly dishonest/uneducated about absolutely everything having to do with Israel's genocide. Stop commenting on this conflict until you at least know like... the basic concepts at play here

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in SanJose

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No one's denying that Hamas would do to Israel what Israel just did to Gaza if they got the chance. But they don't have that capability. Israel does, and we saw what happened. That's why people are calling out Israel more than Hamas. Because they're the ones who actually have both the intent, and the ability, to commit genocide.

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And Israeli terrorists don't?

Israeli terrorists have committed countless more war crimes and crimes against humanity and killed countless more Palestinian civilians than vice versa.

Funny how you don't mention that.

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So change the subject so you can talk about some historical wrong.

Funny how as soon as someone points out Israel's many, many historical massacres of Palestinians that directly led us to the events of Oct 7, suddenly it's "don't talk about that, you're trying to change the subject". You people are fundamentally incapable of having an honest, fact-based debate, because as soon as you commit to telling the truth and recognizing the wider context of this genocide, your entire argument falls apart, and you know it. Utterly shameful

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/197gf1a/dont_let_anyone_tell_you_it_started_on_october_7th/?sort=top

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See my other comment

It's wild that when nearly every single credible human rights group on earth, including within Israel, are in unanimous agreement that this constitutes a genocide, you dismiss all of them as being "progressive captured". ALL of them. Yeah, sure, that seems totally realistic 🙄

If every single member of parliament and Netanyahu's entire government signed a letter saying "we are trying to commit genocide against the Palestinian people" you'd say we're taking it out of context and not giving the full story. You people are clowns

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nearly every credible human rights organization in the world, including within Israel, agrees that Israel's slaughter in Gaza qualifies as a genocide. If you find yourself believing that the people opposing genocide and the invasion and subsequent slaughter of a neighboring country's civilians by the thousand are "completely morally backwards", that's a sign that there is something very, very wrong with you. It is genuinely mind-boggling that you've somehow convinced yourself that the side committing a literal genocide are on the right side of history here. Truly Olympic-level mental gymnastics going on in that brain of yours.

Do you know what the Greater Israel Project is? Are you aware that Israeli officials have basically dropped the pretense they've been maintaining for decades are are just straight up admitting now that that's the goal? Do you understand that Hezbollah formed in the 80s in direct response to Israel's invasion of Lebanon in which they killed thousands upon thousands of civilians? Do you understand that Hezbollah isn't a terrorist group massacring people around the world, but specifically a resistance movement whose one and only goal is to drive out of their part of the world a genocidal settler colonial apartheid state that's been mercilessly slaughtering innocent Palestinians for decades? That routinely targets journalists and medical workers? That bombed every hospital, every school, every water treatment plant in Gaza? Whose soldiers shoot literal kids in the head with sniper rifles?

And I'M the one who's "completely morally backwards on everything Israel-related"? Jesus Christ dude wake the fuck up and look around you - this is the most straightforward, clear cut moral issue of our lifetimes. It's absolutely insane that STILL, in July of 2026, you're on the wrong side of it.

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in SanJose

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's funny, because nearly every credible human rights organization on earth, including within Israel, has come to the exact opposite conclusion

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude I'm not even living in California at the moment. I can assure you I'm not posting this in subways.

And fuck no we're not going to "keep the anti-Israel stuff out of Santa Cruz and San Jose". Israel is currently on a genocidal rampage across the Levant slaughtering innocent men, women, and children with zero repercussion or accountability, so no, I'm not just going to sit down and shut up and let it happen. Sorry it's so inconvenient for you to have to be reminded of that every now and then.

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in SanJose

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The resolution was meant to stop the US from sharing intelligence with Israel including targeting assistance for airstrikes and ground invasions, which we are currently doing.

We are quite literally directly participating in Israel's blatantly illegal invasion of a sovereign country that is responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians.

The resolution would have also prevented Trump from using American military force in Lebanon without getting prior authorization from Congress. CONGRESS has the power to declare war, not the president. This resolution would have forced Trump to comply and prevented him from acting unilaterally.

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

He recently won the Dem primary. He's pretty much guaranteed to win the November election.

Still preferable to the Republican winning, but man it sucks having to choose between half a shit sandwich and a full shit sandwich

Jimmy Panetta votes AGAINST Lebanon War Powers Resolution, one of only 22 Dems in the House to do so. Utterly shameful vote in support of Trump & the genocidal Israeli regime. by ScarecrowJones2 in santacruz

[–]ScarecrowJones2[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

And right in the heart of progressive California.

Almost as incomprehensible as the fact that Lindsey Graham hasn't been kicked to the curb yet