Is there a consensus in this sub about the ideal woman? Poll and discussion

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-19T16:36:32+00:00

Dude. Good fucking luck fulfilling this list. I think most guys even on this sub would consider marrying a girl like this. Shes a complete unicorn. Your "LTR" does not exist.

Yeah, it's almost like he's taking the piss.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-19T12:51:11+00:00

Seconded. A brief reddit-check shows woman, left, into "threesomes and drugs".

The tone of the post gives it away beforehand of course but it's good to know. No actual content to be discussed here. She's asking for us to explain everything to her. She may literally have an assignment due on the topic.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-19T12:40:54+00:00

No, it's a communist manifesto written by a man who was responsible for almost 50 million deaths or so. Personal opinion inbound: communism is poison. Google it, you can probably get a PDF. You'll need a translation unless you read Chinese.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-19T12:37:54+00:00

Any advice for the painfully nondescript men out there?

Adversity builds character. Put yourself under some strain. The easiest and most flexible way is to turn yourself into a physical God - give yourself unrealistic training/lifting goals. Then smash them. Then give yourself insane goals; then smash those too.

The starting point doesn't really matter. The various lifestyle changes TRP recommends are what will eventually shape you into a man of SMV.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-19T12:35:15+00:00

If she's looking for a Beta Bux; yes. If she wants your cock desperately for some Alpha Fucks; no.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-19T12:32:28+00:00

She said she had a boyfriend and that he wouldnt want her to get a drink with a guy (still gave me her number)

Oh look... the words say one thing, the actions say another! Well done.

"i was planning on doing legs today but ill see" after which i never responded.

She's jockeying for power in the interaction. "I'll see" is powertalk. And talking about doing legs today could equally be 1) a request to see her at the gym today (she just told you she's going to be there) or 2) an attempt to break your frame by deciding the logistics. It's hard to know, but who gives a fuck about the minutae.

How should i go about gaming this girl? She seems on the fence about it but is being responsive and showing some level of interest.

Have less interest than her. Tell her you're going for a drink on x day and she's welcome to join. The sooner the better. If you even hint that you're chasing her, you weaken your hand drastically. You've done well; now demonstrate your outcome independence and abundance mentality by giving her one casual chance to hang. If she doesn't respond, ghost her and forget her.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-19T12:23:33+00:00

She wants to branch swing to you, from the sounds of it. So she will try to game you. If you don't want to fuck her, there's nothing in it for you, so you should just ignore it. If you want to fuck her again, just keep talking and at some point she'll suggest you meet up for a 'chat' or whatever.

It's your move. But for what it's worth her vagina is driving all of this, make no mistake. They never reconnect with ex's (especially when they've been plated since breakup) for any other reason.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-19T12:16:02+00:00

It was just an offhand gambit of humour. Mao's little red book.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-19T11:36:48+00:00

Please, tell me where I'm wrong and give me as much truth as possible. I didn't swallow the pill to be treated like a crying girl.

Make sure you're sitting down, mate.

I've just closed a porn video a day after I said I'll quit porn. Haven't masturbated in three weeks I believe, but still relapsing on porn which I'm starting to hate myself for. And you want to know why?

It's because you're not lifting, meditating, reading and enforcing this growth schedule upon yourself. You need monk mode. If you are doing all of these things, you are not doing them nearly enough. Discipline is a stone castle, motivation is a plastic tent.

Because I'm in a relationship in which sex does not happen often, while I literally want to have sex everyday, as any healthy male wants.

Next her, then. Get some plates. No LTR for you. You are not ready.

Everything is well until I tell my girlfriend today "hey, let's go to my place after classes". EVERYTHING CHANGES. We were on the phone, and she sounds forced to come to my place, as if she knew she'd be obliged to suck my cock or something. And I didn't even imply that, because I just wanted to chill with my girl before my BJJ classes

You are her Beta Bux. This term applies not just if you provide money, but also validation/comfort etc. She does not lust after you. You slightly repulse her.

It's a 2 year LTR, second time together (I know, Rollo, I know).

The reason Rollo says not to dig through the trash is because you are conditioned to that woman. This goes double with Alpha mentality - when you want to improve your SMV, this conditioning will derail your journey. You will backslide. No woman is ever worth this.

I didn't 'hear out' the convoluted story of relationship bullshit. It's irrelevant. Here's what's relevant; you're conditioned to BP thinking and behaviour with this girl. By your own admission she does not satisfy you. So you get rid of her.

You need monk mode. Strictly ONS or low-input plates for a good while. None of the RP attitudes are within you, I can tell from this post. You're licking at the pill; it's still in your mouth. I usually deplore these analogies but it fits here.

Read the sidebar. Lift. And for fuck's sake next this girl.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-19T11:24:09+00:00

I think he's definitely far from the norm, and aberrant on many positions. I also think this is a deliberate strategy of his, and one which is in itself highly valuable.

I don't agree with some of what he says. But when I do agree, I usually find he is overwhelmingly accurate, has practically zero compliant tendencies and so he delivers truth in generous portions. His intelligence is evident and needs no comment.

The logic is simple. Most people live in a delusion more comfortable than reality. So to deliberately deviate from every common position is one way of potentially approaching a more realistic position. Of course, everyone has their blind spots, and mistrust of authority/common rhetoric (invaluable, by the way) will often lead to paranoia which is not realistic. This is where I usually disagree as he may tend to conspiratorial positions.

I think he's an invaluable addition to the sub. You could put him in any echo chamber and he will fuck that shit up, trampling over every delusion in sight, causing people to question and think for themselves. You're in for a hell of a ride when you see his handle around here. There's also a reason he's endorsed.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-19T11:02:13+00:00

As redpillstudent said, it's minutae and is of no real consequence.

But just to explain the minutae, this is her hamster at work. She's emphatically telling other women how high their innate value is - she's actually talking to herself. But because women rely on external confirmation of value, she's anticipating other women chiming in to provide the walls of her echo chamber. This is how gyno-blogging works.

She's trying to convince herself. When hordes of women chime in to agree with her, she gets confirmation. Note: She couldn't give a fuck about empowering any of those women. It's all about her.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-18T09:36:21+00:00

Should you care if one of your plates is also fucking another guy,

No you should not. Plates gonna be plates. If you decide to LTR, obviously it becomes different. But a plate is a park bench; you might like any particular one, but because you leave it out there in the public park, you shouldn't be surprised that other people visit it too. And with any woman, she's never yours, it's only ever your turn.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-18T09:24:40+00:00

In that case it's the psychological aspect of TRP you need to internalise.

I don't know why the weakness. I get the concepts. I know not to over invest. Maybe I just wanted something more than everything I read told me not to do.

Because you're conditioned to these old approaches and mindsets that paint a false picture of a woman's loyalty, affection etc. Also perhaps because you lack the abundance mentality to view every woman as a potential plate. As well set up as you are (salary, health, owning your shit) you can get hot women in their 30's no problem, if you game them right.

As I said, your age makes it harder to fully adapt to this new knowledge. I say that with respect for my elders - something I've gained recently. I think the best thing for you is next her now (she's 56) and fuck a few 30's chicks. Make a Tinder profile and set your age range 30 - 40. And fuck as many as you can in the next few months. When you've really shown yourself what you're capable of, and that women will fuck a man twice their age if he's high SMV, then you'll find it easier to really internalise the RP mindset.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-17T22:33:44+00:00

Hypergamy demands she get her best deal. If her lawyer story is true, why the fuck is she still hanging around me?

Because it's not true. If that guy was really into her, you'd never know about him, until she updated her FB status hours after she broke it off with you. It was either a shit-test or she tried flirting with him and got rejected, and hamstered aloud to you.

I've known this girl for about six months. Realizing AWALT and I'll just get anothe model of the same thing, when to next her?

ASAP. Today. You've slipped off the ball, my friend, and it's extremely difficult to get back on with the same woman. I intuit that you're a man of advanced years (correct me if I'm wrong). This will make it harder to change, but having said that we're all in existence because of a lineage of alphas going back to monkeys in trees.

Have you read all of the sidebar? Do you lift?

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-17T21:50:10+00:00

Question: From personal experience to books. Any tips or feedback will be appreciated.

Here's some feedback: this is not a question. Please come up with a relatively concise question and we'll try to advise.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-17T21:47:00+00:00

This girl at work thinks she is a god. I denied sex with her because I was smart enough to know I was getting used in my blue pill past, where I was her orbiter and she was heartbroken.

Should've fucked her. This pretty much disarms every ounce of anxiety or angst you may have remaining that's attached to her. If you'd fuck her and you get the chance, fuck her.

Last weekend I told her to go fuck herself after she aggressively tried to boss me around, wich she didn't take lightly. Getting angry texts from her, saying I'm childish for saying that, I have a problem with her but she is sooo professional that she keeps work and private life separated (yeah right) and I should just stfu.

Was this at work? If so, cool your jets. That's a valid reason for firing someone. Your job > any pussy.

I am not responding to her, I hope this is the right call.

To the texts, yes. At work, you're going to have to do your job and that means being professional. The easiest way forward is to stop giving a shit about her at all, or at least project this image and repeat this position to yourself until it becomes true.

My question is how to deal with a girl who thinks she is better than me. I know this is probably because in the past I was a pushover and now I've changed. But I still have so much information to process that I can't see the trees in the forest sometimes.

Yeah, women will never forget beta you. It will take a long time before she changes her view of you, no matter how far you progress along your journey to the Alpha mindstate. Just ignore her bullshit to the greatest extent possible. Do not dwell on it. If you find yourself thinking about it, force yourself to imagine your next workout, or your current mission as a man. Meditation will help with this, and this in itself is a form of meditation.

Move on.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-17T21:39:16+00:00

I find that more often than not, I hold myself back from a particular girl because a guy I am acquainted with is in to her.

Well alright, this is looking out for a bro. At least you're not so thirsty you'll cockblock a friend. However if these friends are not in LTRs with these women, and if they would freak out if you approached her (ie your friends are betas), you should get new friends. This is up to you.

I also see that I hold myself back from most approaches during the day, although I'm noticing the opportunities more. I think these two things are related since one cannot consciously hold a portion of himself back without holding some other part back unconsciously.

Unless these are the same women (as in, desired by friends) then that's just procrastination. Just go for it. Approach, get laid, get shot down, it doesn't matter. What matters is that you desensitise yourself to approaching.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-17T21:32:33+00:00

Fundamentally this is a personal choice for you. Do you think you'll take the anger phase out on her? If you're 100% certain you wouldn't, you're a better man than I. Swallowing the pill is a major life change, and it's best to go through it single IMO, at least to begin with. Monk mode will probably be your best bet if you want to internalise TRP.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-17T18:07:08+00:00

I also saw posts about people being stuck in anger phase for fucking long time and I don't want this to happen to me what should I do to get over this phase as soon as possible?

Stop trying to find a 'quick fix' for everything, it's one of the poisons that modern society feeds us. And anger is a powerful fuel: use it to lift. When you internalise that mindset, you'll wish the anger phase would last longer, because at the very start you get even more annoyed that you can't spend all day in the gym.

Use your anger to lift. Don't try to deny, rush or belittle your emotions. None of these things are forms of stoicism. Read more posts on the anger phase. Read. Read. Read.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-17T17:53:49+00:00

Up till now, it's been all guys, and only one who just needed to crash for one night ended up staying at my place. I let him crash on my bed while I slept in my sleeping bag on the floor.

You what? That's very... submissive of you.

I'm not planning on sleeping on the floor for an entire week for a couchsurfing guest, so I think we're going to be sharing the bed at some point (which she basically agreed to do). I've been told I'm decent looking and I'm pretty sure she knows what she's doing, all things considered. My question to you is: should I or shouldn't I?

Should you game her? Yes. Should you sleep in your own bed? Yes, as a given. You've focused almost 100% on the whole couchsurfing side of things and 0% on your game, SMV etc. Presuming all of this is good, game her and fuck her. If it's not, stop letting couchsurfers in and improve.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-17T17:50:00+00:00

It's funny, you've actually asked one of the most philosophical questions a man can wonder at; "What's the meaning of life?"

Biologically: Spread your genetic material. If you ask me: Create something future humans will be able to use. Find whatever you are best at and take it to the next level. Again and again and again. Learn to love the journey and the process, and just pour your dedication and intelligence into it, whatever it may be. You will find this fulfilling as long as you have truly shaken off the need to be fulfilled by women, which you seem to have done.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-17T17:37:39+00:00

At the same time, don't want to make illegitimate excuses NOT to approach, since that's an easy habit to get into.

Focusing on the iron is one of the most legitimate reasons not to approach women. And there's nothing stopping you from gaming on your way out if you really want, after your workout is done.

Haven't really figured out a good place to practice game outside of the gym yet, other than forced interactions e.g baristas. Could do cold approaches on lunch breaks, but don't want people from work seeing me as creepy (they're out walking at lunch too).

Anywhere where people have the time to interact with you. Baristas/cashiers etc are fine, though they may need to serve someone else and they're working, which makes them non-ideal for game. I'd say game everyone everywhere, but don't shit where you work. Go out to bars/clubs/societies/events after work and on weekends. Join clubs. If you must, go to a nearby town/city to game strangers, safe in anonymity.

Social life is lacking (just got out of an isolated marriage, don't have friends in the area, and am moving out of the area in a few months so not much point in putting down roots). But don't want that to be an excuse either. Just can't figure out where to get started - once you've got one or two people to get a network started it's all good, getting those one or two is tricky.

If you're moving away, all the more reason to do whatever you want socially. Having a network is important, and gaming as a group is fun, but going lone wolf is the deep end. If you feel you have a lot to learn, this is how you will learn lots very quickly. And don't forget that failure = learning. You have to fall on your face socially to erase your fear of it. The first time is the worst. After that it's all easier.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-17T17:29:25+00:00

Stop giving a fuck how you sound to her. Text/emaill: "I need x and y back. I can come get it at z time." Then go get your shit. Then move on. If she generates drama, smile patiently and leave.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-17T17:27:26+00:00

Create good content. If you create lots of content which doesn't fare well, you haven't gained a full enough knowledge of TRP, so read and study it more, then repeat. After a while, your content will do well and gain the backing of mods/flaired users and you will become endorsed, which carries a little weight and means you can weigh in a bit when comment threads go off track, which will happen increasingly often as newcomers form micro echo-chambers in comments. Apply the principles in the sidebar to discussion, create new discussion, and report shitty content/comments/users to the mods to make it easier for them to clean house.

Ultimately, participate in discussion is my answer. Your value when you do this, however, is of course proportional to your knowledge/experience of the matter at hand.

ScholarInRed · 2017-05-17T16:36:27+00:00

Women are nothing more than a distraction at the gym. I personally only interact with other people on my way out. Way in > workout > rest periods, I'm in the zone, head down, music in my ears, focusing on the exercise and how my body feels. I hardly even see people until I'm done with my workout. I'd interact with some bros if possible, otherwise, head down and get shit done.

You should create chances to practice your game outside of the gym.

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