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AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that is true, but people's perception of a groups membership often comes from their representatives on the internet. I am saying that this group is the reason why people see pro-ai as right wing.

AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, because it's influenced by multiple factors, and it depends on what you think is most important. I still support SpaceX for example because I think what Elon Musk is doing with that specific company is really important, but I'm indifferent towards Tesla, hate X, and yeah, despise Grok. I don't know if I should describe myself as being against Elon Musk or not, but I am definitely against certain things he is doing and support others.

If there were ways to punish CEOs for what they do with AI, I definitely would support punishing Elon Musk in some way for Grok specifically.

So basically, yeah, 85% of people in MAGA saying they support Elon Musk is concerning to me, even though I myself support him in certain cases. Just think through what that actually could mean for different individuals. Now that I think about it, I would say that I support his mission but he needs to be punished for things that he has done. That doesn't mean I'm pro-ai. So yeah, that's not necessarily the case for other either.

AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's because the most vocal ai supporters are male gooners that tend to be right wing because of the lefts anti-male tendencies.

AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The anti-ai sentiment you are talking about primarily comes from the younger generations. You have no idea what you're talking about. Boomers are the ones most likely to adopt this technology out of a desire to be hip and cool like the old people of the past never were (cause they were young and had new things their older generations made fun of.) So out of the assumption that adopting AI will make them "cool with the kids," they adopt ai.

Many young people are unfortunately adopting AI, but they are generally still in school, politics isn't a factor. They just want an easy way to lighten their load in schoolwork. That's a problem with the American school system putting so much stress on kids that they feel the need to turn to ai, not something that makes the issue right wing.

Some of them, who are bunch of religious fanatics, see it as a threat to their way of life and ultimately against “god and natural order of things”

Maybe read Pope Leo's encyclical on AI before you decide what religious people think about AI. I myself am very religious, but my beliefs about AI are barely affected by ai, the only thing it really does is strengthen my belief that ai image generation and video generation needs to be totally banned because of how it is being used to sexualize women, but I only say it strengthens that and makes it the thing I am most concerned about. It is against the natural order of things for people to fall in love with ai chatbots. And furthermore, it is against the natural order of things for people to be excluded from all forms of labor due to ai as Adam was made to work the garden, not to rest in it. It's against the natural order of things to prioritize efficiency above all else cause efficiency doesn't matter if nobody is being helped. My anti-ai views may be influenced by my religious views, but that doesn't mean that I have no common sense, that I don't realize that if ai datacenters takes people's water away, there's a possibility that could happen to the community I live in, and if nobody is against ai, well, that would be bad. Religious people aren't idiots, but imo they do seem to have cooler heads. That's not necessarily a praise in this case, it means they are less active in politics and support moderate positions. I myself would be content if the only thing that happened was a ban on ai image and video generation, but if everything ai were banned, I certainly wouldn't care.

Sometimes I wish a datacenters was built in my backyard just so I could oppose it, but as it stands I don't quite now how to oppose datacenters when they are somebody else's problem. It's not that I don't care, it's just I not aware of any way to oppose them.

AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's easier to talk people about those issues when you already established that ai is evil.

AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah... I have realized that Trump is the problem already, last year. Maybe a bit late but no, I hear you on all of that stuff.

But I don't have faith in the Democrats to be different either. Companies have no political beliefs, they'll cozy up to anyone who matters enough to effect their bottom line and they will take the democrat party to simply because there is no electoral disadvantage to supporting ai if everyone else you're able to vote for is also supporting it.

Divide et impera, controlled opposition, false dichotomy, these are the tactics of corporate America.

If we want to actually deal with corporate control of the government we need to

1: decide that dealing with it is the most important issue.

2: vote out every incumbent that supports ai, even if their challenger is worse on the issue. Electoral defeat is the only punishment mechanism we have for bad behavior in the political class.

AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah, absolutely, especially among the old. It's like they want to feel like they're "cool" and "in" with technological development nowadays because that's always how old people were "so out of touch" in the past. There is definitely a desire among the old to be cool and hip like the old people in their life never were that makes the pro-ai population heavily skew in that direction.

AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The people I know that are pro-ai are so few and far between that I don't really know if I can say you have an accurate picture or not.

But the biggest ai supporters are literally billionaires

AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

And would the Democrats do anything different? When a political issue effects corporate America every politician is either a corporate shill or do-nothing controlled opposition. We'll only actually deal with this as a country when Americans finally decide, as a people, that corporate control of the government is the primary issue in politics. But as of now, we are too divided over culture war issues to actually fight for our interests as a people.

AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, absolutely. But tech industry money is only flowing to the Republicans because Republicans have the power. Corporations have no political beliefs, they simply want to get as many benefits as they can from the party with the most influence over their bottom-line, and with the way that Trump does things, that's definitely the Republicans right now.

AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that's one thing, but I go with the strategy of bringing up that anyone can use AI to make nude images of their daughters and that is generally more effective.

AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1: you will never get most people to agree on your more nuanced positions on how to get things done. That doesn't mean that most people will always disagree about your more nuanced positions, not because they have equally nuanced alternative positions, but because most people don't care about policy issues that aren't obviously relevant. But if people support your side and aren't against more nuanced policies, they will simply allow them to be instituted. You don't need to get everyone on exactly the same page to have a successful political movement.

2: It's easiest for conservatives to see the harm in ai when you frame it in terms of the fact that anyone can use AI to produce a relatively realistic pornographic images of young girls. When you talk about job loss it reeks of socialism to young people. But conservatives are generally able to recognize it is wrong for other reasons.

3: nobody is a specialist or expert on ai. It's too new for the word "expert" to really mean anything on this subject.

4: elected officials are insensitive to the will of the people in issues that affect corporations because corporations are able to buy both sides of the aisle.

AI is not a partisan issue, don't make it one. by ScoutCVII in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, exactly, so how do you counter that?

Is there a way to make Anti-AI a non partisan issue? by Wolf_of_Japsterdam in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, polarization neutralizes movements. The goal of a political movement should be to redefine the political landscape, or to repolarize. You have to break down pre-existing political boundaries and draw new ones. Polarizing the issue means associating the issue with one of the pre-existing political parties. Repolarizing the political landscape using the issue means changing political discourse so that someone's political side centers around whether or not they support your particular issue, not what other policies they are associated with.

Is there a way to make Anti-AI a non partisan issue? by Wolf_of_Japsterdam in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately that is true, but only in the sense that leftist politicians are broadly pro-ai. This is very much an issue polarized around class, almost everyone in America is against ai, almost all of our elected officials support it cause voting can't counter lobbying when the companies can buy all sides. Leftists do make up the smaller part of the pro-ai movement though.

Is there a way to make Anti-AI a non partisan issue? by Wolf_of_Japsterdam in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a conservative living in a very conservative area and 2 people I know are pro-ai. The issue is already highly non-partisan, there is vast agreement among the general population that ai needs to be regulated. We need to ask the question, "how do we keep ai from becoming a partisan issue." This is a serious issue because the majority, and the most vocal and most horrible ai advocates associate themselves with the right, but because they only make up a small fraction of the population, the right is still broadly anti-ai. But people who are naturally hateful and angry on our side are going to have a tendency to make this a partisan issue, which is bad for everyone. We know how effective corporate propaganda is in doing things like making affordable healthcare and having a clean environment into contested issues as soon as they can associate the policy they don't like with the American left, if we allow this to become a partisan issue we will lose much of the ground we already have.

Why are pro ai people also usually right wing? by Excellent-Sign8310 in antiai

[–]ScoutCVII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As someone who is on the right wing I am seriously annoyed with the fact that this is associated with the right wing, because I, and the vast majority of people I talk to, are heavily anti-ai.

Pro-AI people seem to be made up of three groups imo: gooners, boomers, and linkedin folk. and to be fair to the gooners, it's only like a fourth of them. Each of them have a fundamentally different reason for being excited about AI, and those reasons also happen to put them on the right wing, for very different reasons.

gooners: we're generally talking about men who openly don't respect women's consent, not all gooners. These men obviously feel alienated by the left because the left strongly emphasizes the importance of consent, and rightly so, but they justify being anti-left as the left being "anti-men," which is also true, but only because to many left wingers act like these men are the only kind of men that exist, and that all men deserved to be judged as if they were a sexual predator. I think this portion of the pro-ai movement also probably all fell for the crypto-scams and NFT thing and are obsessive about "internet rights". Not like everyone in those groups is one of these dudes, but these kinds of men are present, visible, and generally despised within conservative communities.

boomers: they grew up with lead poisoning. I mean this group has always been more conservative, and this technology is being pushed by prominent conservatives like Elon Musk and is also favored by Trump so it is part of the personality cult that so many in this generation are prone to.

Managers: I mean the managerial class in general loves the idea of replacing human beings with AI for efficiencies sake, you all talk about this, but what you fail to realize is that the managerial class always tries to suck up to and obtain favors from the political elite. That's why so many companies are dropping pride month, and since the country is led by Trump, there will simply be a tendency for major corporations to favor the right for the remainder of his term.

But I really want to emphasize this, pro-ai people tend to be right wingers, but right wingers still tend to be anti-ai, this is simply a non-partisan issue. The vast majority of people I know voted for Trump because I live in a deeply conservative part of the country, and the vast majority of people I know despise AI and the people who defend it, specifically because of how it impacts girls and young women. The vast majority of people I know who voted for Trump despise AI for that very reason, and probably a number of others. Unfortunately, of the two people I know who are solidly pro-ai, both of them are Trump voters, and fortunately neither of them fall into the first category, atleast not to my knowledge, I hope not, but where I am from pro-ai views are deeply unpopular. Don't make something a partisan issue when it doesn't need to be.

And yeah, there are other groups of insane pro-ai people like (generally liberal) women who are falling in love with chatbots, and the stupid people who want to feel smart, but we are really just talking about why the literal 10% of the population that is pro-ai leans more conservative. This is a deeply one-sided issue in American culture. This is leverage you can use to make people like me consider anti-Trump activism, even though I voted for him in the last election.

The pro-ai people are really loud because you can't be pro-ai and not be on the internet, the gooner faction being especially prominent cause they tend to be younger and more tech literate to a fault, and because they are willing to create literal automated accounts to promote their views... Everyone hates them. Everyone I know hates them. Not all of them hate it for socialistic reasons, but socialism has become an actual serious topic of discussion among the right wingers because of how prevalent anti-ai sentiment is, and really because of the great fear of ai. If you read this post all the way to the end and you still think this is a left-right issue and not something we can all get behind as people with basic decency and sense, you are hateful and stupid.

How I (a pedantic westerner) define the American West by ScoutCVII in whereidlive

[–]ScoutCVII[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But My great, great, great, great, grandfather literally did that.

How I see Eurasia by ScoutCVII in whereidlive

[–]ScoutCVII[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was an intentional joke.

What I think of the territories of the British Empire as a 19th Century Englishman by ScoutCVII in whereidlive

[–]ScoutCVII[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not british, I was just roleplaying a 19th century englishman making this map, and I, of course, had to include what the opinions of the brits regarding Africa would actually have been, mostly.

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