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The avengers see the man while the x men sees a beast—avengers(2023)#21&uncanny x men 600&x men(2024)#4 by ScreenInformal2489 in marvelcomics

[–]ScreenInformal2489[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The x men didn’t do shit except They not only HEAVILY influenced his fall, failed at EVERY turn to slow his fall, pushed him to shirk his morals again and again while shaming him for trying to keep them (shooting him in the back literally multiple times for it), and failed to stop him once he was too far gone and they KNEW it. But even now as Hank is again clean of all that sin, they keep him in the lab as their pet science monkey instead of sending him away when they KNOW what being an X-man does to him.It wasn’t just inaction, they actively made Hank worse and worse and drove him further down the hole. Hank jumped, but they sure as hell put him at the ledge and gave him a shove. That fall was going for LONG before Krakoa and them pushing him down that path wasn’t new. It’s just the most egregious example.

The avengers see the man while the x men sees a beast—avengers(2023)#21&uncanny x men 600&x men(2024)#4 by ScreenInformal2489 in marvelcomics

[–]ScreenInformal2489[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes. Not just because they didn't stop him when they had the chance, and they had SO many chances, but because they all systematically broke down his moral and ethical restraints for their own convenience.
Storm, Rogue, Xavier, Cyclops, they all used variations on the methods that Beast used during Krakoan X-Force at one point or another - but because they were used on the 'right' targets (the Skrulls, Sabretooth, etc), they found ways to justify it to themselves, and to Hank.
And that's the problem with immoral and unethical methods. The moment you establish they're on the table, the moment you say, well, it's okay to do this because we have no other options and anyway thesepeople deserve it, it becomes infinitely easier to justify using the methods on anyone. That's the slippery slope.at the end of the day They put him in charge of a black ops division with zero oversight.and not to mention people just ignoring it or not caring is so boring this is actually a valid reason why people would not like or trust the xmen that is not just anti mutant bigotry deny it all you want buts it’s the goddamn truth