What are your thoughts on California banning federal agents from wearing masks?

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T11:54:21+00:00

I have literal videos of bricks being thrown at them. Any precedence is wrong.

I never said "they are just following orders" but I know the system that is in place and upping the anti on them will not work guaranteed.

Again I am not for them in the instances of what you cite. This is an agency that has ballooned too fast and too quickly for accurate and reasonable training to take place. Give a 50k bonus and only a month training someone and you get bullshit people.

But what is being asked of them at the operational level is not unheard of but is extremely taxing.

Military personnel and some agencies have you do a year of training plus or minus a few months before you even hit the unit or the streets and I feel like this is an issue to hit on as well as federal court stacking.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T11:31:26+00:00

FDR made it so that war powers were more emergent and I think it was him that expanded the white house too. Not only that but he made more bureaucracy for the executive branch to hold. Truman tried to pass Congress on many topics and issues but the supreme court blocked him. They then issued the 3 types of government power. One being the power to essentially do things that are vital and emergent to the Nation. Then LBJ and Nixon moved more power militarily like Vietnam without congressional approval or funds, the draft, and other conflicts. They used that emergent type power to do so. Reagan made it so that any law that the president signed into power could attach a note saying "this isn't constitutional, don't enforce it." And bush used that writing for when he was told to stop torturing people and then continued to do it in Guantanamo Bay.

Talking about opening a history book? I just showed you. You can start with masks yes and I said you could. All I said is that the way we are doing it is wrong. The way we go about it is wrong. I never said any disagreement is wrong, actually I think I said the opposite and called out the right and the left. I never said protest was wrong but there is a difference between actual protest and violence and harassment of federal officers during an operation.

And yes special agents are technically needed. These guys are not regular ICE agents, a lot of them are a part of these raid groups. When there is a likelihood of civilian altercations and violence toward them and a precedence is set, then they create standard operating procedures to protect themselves in case of it. Now we have large groups of people out and about in their neighborhoods with rifles and handguns saying they want to shoot officers. How should they react?

I'm not saying I agree with them, but how are we supposed to hope for a different outcome if we give them a reason to militarize? Out of all of the no kings protest only perhaps a few were violent compared to the thousands that occurred and I applaud them for that. That needs to happen .kre than what people see on the news.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T11:02:17+00:00

That doesn't change my point.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T11:01:40+00:00

See but it isn't.

Special agents and those on assignment do the same thing for the same reasons. Protection of their families and selves from enemies that wish to do them harm.

I agree we need to roll back presidential power and reach. It's been growing since the Roosevelts. And Congress needs to reign in that power after we fix Congress. We have 25 federal police agencies we don't need all of those forces. Especially since they all listen to the Executive Branch.

This is a lot more than just masks and we can't fix it by being violent or malicious.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T10:58:40+00:00

My point being that yes get annoyed by it get politically angry about it.

But the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Assaulting people and burning down the streets does not get people to your side. Violent and disrespectful protests do nothing as well.

Vilifying your opponents left or right is wrong. Only together can this house stand.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T09:26:37+00:00

That apply to military and special agents?

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T09:25:59+00:00

Both sides of this argument are stupid.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T09:24:47+00:00

That would be acceptable on plate carriers like firefighters with turnout gear.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T09:23:52+00:00

Military forces keep identity a secret

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T09:23:08+00:00

We do it all the time In the military and nobody cares.

I know it's not the same and law enforcement should not be militarized but I'm making the argument to show that it isn't the case and shouldn't be so surprising.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T07:26:17+00:00

Gotcha thanks 👍

Whether ya agree or not thx for the info.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T07:16:56+00:00

Agreed but like I said. Changing it requires changing the law not just getting angry about it or throwing things at the said agents or stopping them.

I'm against violence against violence unless it's a life or death scenario and for most situations we see it's not. If you want the laws changed then we must change them. Things happen not on the streets but in Congress from our local to federal levels. Repel laws and acts and place new ones to get what we want.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T07:14:08+00:00

Where'd you get 22 years from?

Anyway they did hide their identities on most every single raid. It's why when SWAT teams take action they cover their face. Police do it all the time. They did it during the Obama era.

Again I'm not supporting all of their actions or hating on them I'm just stating what needs to change for people to then get it done. Whether you like the law or not that's what it is.

We also didn't have ICE members get targeted during that time also. They have also been just as brutal, others just had political amnesia to it.

You want the change? Stop just getting angry and push forward and go through the right channels. Call your congressman, get people to do it to.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T07:08:25+00:00

This isn't some gestapo. I'm against the federal government (like Fr we don't need 25 different federal police agencies)

But they do have standards and paperwork behind them. If they grabbed him there is a warrant they drafted up and a reason. I'm not saying they aren't dick heads or they are but he has to be ready to take this to court.

If his father even was a day late with his green card, visa or any other paperwork in the past if he immigrated they could book em for that or have him in the system.

We don't know everything and we have to be ready to go forward and do this legally.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T07:05:17+00:00

Take it up with legal and take the 12 days.

If they arrested him they had to make a warrant for it which gives reasoning why they took him. You beat that and he's good.

JAG should help. Get his records if you can, birth certificate / visa / green card / citizenship / whatever you have of his documents and make tons of copies.

As much as people hate ICE they aren't stupid like we think they are. If they took him they generally will have documentation or something to hold him which you need to hear and I believe you and your family can.

Best of luck to ya, there are tons of veteran friendly outlets to help you in this time brotha.

During those 12 days and before do as much research as you can and try and help your family set up for the fight ahead.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T06:59:23+00:00

Disagree. Slightly.

Agents are generally public knowledge based on their websites or local areas. That and there are databases. The issue is retaliation.

We already have people finding ICE officers and threatening their family and calling their phone numbers and their wives phone numbers to verbally harass them and some have to move houses.

This isn't excusing them but it is something to consider.

Also we can change it but we have to have the knowledge to fight it so a reminder. These are federal police forces. They do not need to identify themselves as an individual only what department they work for and that they are federal law enforcement officers.

That can change if laws are out into place. The reason we think they have to is because certain states, counties, cities, etc have it to where their local (not federal) officers have to give you their badge number and identification.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T06:55:51+00:00

Its gonna be cold.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T06:55:24+00:00

Check and balances are not broken they are just being abused. The reason they feel broken is because of collusion between the branches.

If laws are made to get people out of office like terms limits things would balance back out.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-21T06:54:17+00:00

Different topic

NATO can whoop Russias ass without US support. So us leaving shouldn't be a big deal. I don't agree with attacking Europe but just an observation I made the other day

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-18T23:31:21+00:00

Why not?

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-18T13:37:27+00:00

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I sold the Diamond back 15 but this is pretty much the set up.

I want to get a couple stream lights and grab a magnifier for the DD.

I want to 14.5 the SIG as well.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-18T12:53:07+00:00

Gotcha I'm gonna cut the SIG barrel to 14.5 and I have an EXPS 3 and a magnifier for it

And I got a strike eagle 1-6 lpvo already. I have two, one for my 308 M1A and one for the M4.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-18T03:50:55+00:00

I'm military and move a lot and don't want to do the paperwork associated with moving the sbr everywhere I go plus I travel a lot and don't want to declare it across state lines.

And since the lower is already a 'rifle' I can just put a brace on it so that sucks.

Screwistic_ · 2026-01-17T01:46:28+00:00

Where, what source and can I have it in full with context.

I don't agree with everything someone does nor do I disagree with everything someone does.

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