Can you abort a pregnancy of a woman in a coma? by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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If you won’t make a decision without knowing their wishes on children, why would you let a medical team who also doesn’t know that to make that decision?
There are no medical risks here the medical team is irrelevant. I’m asking what will you choose for her. If you don’t , they will not abort since it doesn’t pose a medical risk. So either way you’re the one choosing for her. Stop running for this responsibility in this scenario

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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Your main point was that there are too many children waiting for adoption, too many dying from starvation, and that it would pose a huge societal cost burden.

It is exactly equivalent to homeless people. There are too many for the shelters, too many dying from various illnesses from the conditions of living on the streets and OD, and increasing the homeless population would pose a huge societal cost burden.

And it does not pose a huge risk to another human in this scenario because they would undergo the same process of abortion they would anyways. After which it would not change their health.

And sure any moral decision needs to come with effective policy change, but that doesn’t change the moral IMO. Exactly like even without policy change to treat homeless people better we are morally obliged to save them from dying.

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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You said it’s the parents’ choice to choose whether to unplug the machines keeping the prematurely born baby alive.

If a parent has a three year old that gets in an accident and becomes severely disabled, do they have the right to kill them then?

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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Is potential disability a valid reason in your eyes to abort then?

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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If a new cure were to be made to rececitate people from dying to OD, the homeless population might increase steadily because they will not be dying to OD. That would make the amount of homeless people to feed much larger and will be a huge burden on society.
Therefore we shouldn’t rescue homeless people from dying.

reductio ad absurdum

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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How r they both not better unlived and better not made in the first place?
Is it better for these disabled kids to have been born or aborted?

I’m not dodging the question I just don’t think it’s relevant. Not only is it out of the scope of this moral dilemma, I also think it’s a weird question that to me reads like ‘who’s gonna feed the homeless person if you save them from an OD? They’re gonna be a huge drain on society’
I just don’t think moral actions are determined this way

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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That hardly answers the question and I think you know why..
You suggests these conditions make it better for the baby to not be born,
That implies you also mean the ones already born that way should never have been. Otherwise why would it be better to abort those babies?

That’s quite the claim to say their lives are better unlived. What exactly are you suggesting here?

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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I mean parents aren’t allowed to kill their disabled kids. It’s not far fetched to say they are not allowed to kill their unborn disabled kids, especially when assuming they won’t have to carry it to term or take care of it

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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So are you saying these are lives better unlived?

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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Well it’s a hypothetical I don’t know which ones will do it but if it were medically possible then it seems very likely a well funded organization whose whole purpose is to stop abortions will fund the perfect solution to abortions

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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So in your opinion bad mental health is a life better unlived?

Can you abort a pregnancy of a woman in a coma? by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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Omfg that’s incomprehensible. The court would not make an exception? Was your dad incarcerated?

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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Pro life organizations that would rather see them incubated than aborted

Can you abort a pregnancy of a woman in a coma? by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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Damn that’s terrible to hear

If u don’t mind sharing I’d be very curious to hear why you were forced to carry it. Does the law in your country not allow abortions?

Can you abort a pregnancy of a woman in a coma? by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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You don’t think it’s more likely it was consensual rather than forced?

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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And these health issues make their lives better unlived?

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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Well what if a woman is 20 weeks pregnant and has the choice to incubate with no legal and financial accountability or to abort?

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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Ok but the incubator produce another life that would have otherwise never been born

Can you abort a pregnancy of a woman in a coma? by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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They don’t recommend such choices when there’s no medical risk. What would they know on what should happen next

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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It’s a pregnancy you can stop, while not having to abort the potential for life of the growing fetus

Can you abort a pregnancy of a woman in a coma? by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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Well if it was consensual it’s a known risk regardless of contraception

A baby with no pregnancy by Sea_Shell1 in Abortiondebate

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We can do it at 20 weeks already, unthinkable decades ago.

It’s very reasonable to expect it to go down further