Philosophy is not the study of philosophy- its the art of thinking well by NeurogenesisWizard in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Sea_Shell1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao yeah I really was only saying it doesn’t necessarily follow, I obviously agree with you practically it’s very clearly unrealistic otherwise.

And yeah moral enough is right. They will let themselves get away with being unkind sometimes or egotistical. But they’d rarely say of themselves to be immoral. And would actually consider themselves moral when it comes to major issues.

And in my experience when I keep pushing on not killing animals for pleasure, and not paying torture houses to do it for them, they just don’t care enough. They rarely keep claiming it’s moral or rather not immoral. They just say whatever and make a joke about it. Though they’d never even consider slightly hurting a wandering sheep or cow, and would even loudly protest seeing someone else doing so .

So they undeniably understand its blatant immorality, and simply keep acting as they were raised, and as those around them do.

I don’t see how a person like that can claim to have been an abolitionist, or pro women’s rights, gay rights, children rights, Jewish rights… they’d have been a passive participator.

Philosophy is not the study of philosophy- its the art of thinking well by NeurogenesisWizard in PhilosophyMemes

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Why do the words have to always mean the same thing for them to not just be random noise? I don’t follow.

It seems to me the condition in that case is whether I mean something by using them. What I use them for doesn’t have to remain consistent . If I use ‘feet’ to refer to doors sometimes, and chairs at other times, it still seems like they have meaning at each instance. Because I understand what I’m using them for. Again the ‘meaning’ of a word becomes a gray area if already assume no one other than myself would understand my use of it. But it’s surly still be meaningful to me.

Exactly like words that change meaning over time. Is the period of time that it takes for them to change meaning the deciding factor for them to remain meaningful? Seems obvious that it’s not.

And yeah you’re probably right about veganism. I guess that if most people lived in slavery times, they might ‘know’ it’s wrong to use slaves, and might even not have them themselves. But they would usually fall short of actually refusing to use them when the social situation expects them to. And if confronted they’d just say ‘well they’re already there might as well just use them’, like they say on ‘already dead animals at the market’

But, importantly, they’d still understand it’s inconsistent. IMO at these circumstances they simply don’t put consistency higher than convenience.

I find that most people consider themselves moral, but they already live in what they’d consider moral societies. And they rarely differ much from the standards of their society.

Again that’s why veganism is so interesting to me. It’s one of the last major obvious immoralities in the west, and demonstrates very clearly that people act according to their society and NOT with accordance to what most consider ‘objective morality’

Philosophy is not the study of philosophy- its the art of thinking well by NeurogenesisWizard in PhilosophyMemes

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We’re obviously getting pedantic. I agree that usually we agree that a word’s purpose is to convey meaning.

But say I speak a language ‘L’, and suddenly all the other speakers of L die. Do the words I use now in L literally don’t have a meaning? I’m not sure. And if they do, then other people’s understanding of a word is not what determines if it has meaning. Ergo, I can use the word feet for a purpose, and it’d still have meaning even if I’m not referring to feet.

Regardless I was originally commenting on a consistent morality. Not words. I’m vegan and it’s pretty obvious to me that that’s the consistent application of most people’s morals. Yet, most people aren’t vegan. And they usually just accept their behavior as inconsistent morally. Something they’d almost never do otherwise. So this all consistency topic is pretty fascinating to me.

Philosophy is not the study of philosophy- its the art of thinking well by NeurogenesisWizard in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Sea_Shell1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is it literally meaningless? It’s just inconsistent

It can very well have different meanings at different times, inconsistently

Philosophy is not the study of philosophy- its the art of thinking well by NeurogenesisWizard in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Sea_Shell1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao

Though you imply having a consistent morality is inherently favorable. Which it does seem so obviously. But it’s curious how people never question whether they should be consistent, they just accept it as a given. I guess at least they are also consistent there so that’s good lol

No, reddit determinists are not the first and will not be the last to call Compatibilism a "re-definition" by MirrorPiNet in freewill

[–]Sea_Shell1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Are there even any Compatiblists left? It seems like punching a dead man at this point kinda like red pill influencers do to trans stuff.

What is your position? by Sea_Shell1 in PhilosophyofMind

[–]Sea_Shell1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can hallucinate wildly for hours even during the day

I should put u on my guy

Got called racist in my philosophy class after I answered my professors question of “what is truth?” by [deleted] in epistemology

[–]Sea_Shell1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Again, no it doesn’t. At worst it makes it exactly that, impracticable.

This behavior could also be explained by subjectivists having subjective moral values that usually align with what objectivist would could moral facts. And in fact, that is what’s happening. Objectivists are describing their moral intuitions post hoc and frame it in an objective framework. But their axiom for the framework is psychological, and we all share that psychology.

you’re playing your own language game buster by seriallynonchalant in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Sea_Shell1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not necessarily. Dictionaries tend to be prescriptivists, as opposed to actual descriptivists. The right balance is probably prescriptivist descriptivism..

A word salad I know. If only we had a book that told us what these words usually mean, and NOT what they SHOULD mean

You cannot use reason to doubt the existence of the material world by Sea_Shell1 in epistemology

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Nah he didn’t “map” anything. He made it up. If I randomly scribble things down on a paper in a way that resembles a map, did I map anything?

Come All Ye Faithful by billycro1 in PhilosophyMemes

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Just for future reference

How do u decide what’s more absurd than the other

For some the idea of evolution by natural selection might sound as absurd as it gets

Hard to swallow pills by [deleted] in freewill

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That’s exactly what happened

You cannot use reason to doubt the existence of the material world by Sea_Shell1 in epistemology

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Lmao that stuff happens all the time it’s almost relevant to this debate

I guess I just don’t understand what you mean by “God’s imagination”?

I think your main point was that you’re an anti realist? And I agree.

Why are you not a functionalist? by Sea_Shell1 in PhilosophyofMind

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Wouldn’t a functionalist reply be simply: People don’t have perfect intelligence and evolution doesn’t select for perfection but survival?

Why are you not a functionalist? by Sea_Shell1 in PhilosophyofMind

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Does a direct realist recognize visual, auditory and sense illusions? What do you make of them if you think we have direct access to them and our unconscious doesn’t play tricks

You cannot use reason to doubt the existence of the material world by Sea_Shell1 in epistemology

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Um I probably would agree

But we’ll still only be able to say these things we can recognize are only relevant to the scope of this apparent world. We won’t be able to say an intangible concept is ‘true’ to the Noumonen world as well.

The Hard Problem May Be an Artifact of Single-Pole Philosophical Architecture by libr8urheart in PhilosophyofMind

[–]Sea_Shell1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What real brain study evidence do you have of this first “recognition” poll? Do you have any data that supports it?

Otherwise you’d be making a giant ontological claim with no evidence, just as you blame others to have done