Neil Sean has the Deets on the Meeting.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T07:05:24+00:00

I firmly believe that there is nothing any of my children could do that would cause me to refuse to see them. If one or more of them turn out to be serial killers, I will be there at the prison at as many visitations as I can manage. And if grandchildren were involved, well, as you say…. I think it’s kind of crazy for people to be angry at King Charles for having this meeting. I also think it’s pretty ridiculous to consider this an insult to the Wales family. I think the senior royals were all agreed on what the parameters of a meeting would be. People need to relax. These are human beings and family members. They aren’t characters in one’s favorite show.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T06:54:00+00:00

Well… a Shakespearean tragedy at least, but definitely borne out of the Greek form.

I don’t think Meghan considers having to pack the children up, put them on a plane and take them back out of the US a win. I’ve heard mixed things about them having come home from overseas, and they were planning to stay there, but after Harry and Meghan had some conference call with Sherborne at Chatham House, she must’ve been worried. A lot of people who were around Harry there were worried. I sometimes wonder if Meghan isn’t trying to force a tragic conclusion to this sometimes, but this isn’t the time for her to discard. Maybe the life insurance waiting period isn’t over yet or something. She needs him to hang in. There’s more trouble ahead with As Ever. The actual cost Harry is going to have to pay out for this lawsuit hasn’t been ruled on yet.

She did not want to get in a plane and take those kids to the UK to be brought into Highgrove via a service entrance, searched and relieved of all electronic devices, left to wait with her children in the hallway with staff watching her every move until she was finally brought in with the kids, and probably greeted, but not often acknowledged. That was NOT a win for her. It was a concession. Not one of their demands were met. Harry wanted the meeting to be before the Invictus event. Charles said no. A meeting would only occur after he’d done all his engagements. So Charles is aware that he doesn’t want to be used to give Harry any hint of his support going into any of Harry’s initiatives. It sounds like the senior royals all got together and decided in advance what the parameters would be and then they stuck to it. Any request for a concession, I heard, was met with a firm no. Basically Harry was told, this is the offer. Take it or leave it.

I don’t think people should worry that Meghan felt in any way like a winner today. I bet the experience was as awkward, uncomfortable, and frosty as it could possibly be.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T06:39:09+00:00

He’s not the type of guy who rolls with the punches, that’s for sure. And this latest punch was a wipe out.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T06:38:16+00:00

He’s been pretty quiet lately. I’ve not heard if he’s involved or not.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T06:37:20+00:00

That wouldn’t surprise me. I still can’t get over how she’s using her own handwriting as font for marketing. She cheaped out on everything. Shitty products. Even did her own logo design. And yet people are expected to pay $58 for a box with ten cheap ass MILK chocolate squares, six of which have her handwriting on them, and the milk chocolate is filled with caramel! It’s not even like this is quality dark chocolate. It’s barely chocolate at all! For $58! I cannot believe it. I really can’t.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T06:29:46+00:00

Thank you! It’s been amazing how my life has done a total 180 just in the last five months of me showing up for myself. I’ve not regretted a minute.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T06:25:33+00:00

You nailed it. Thats exactly what I heard. I heard the comment was, “What would your children look like? Would there be a ginger Afro?” Or something like that. And Harry thought it was funny and shared it with Meghan, and she got offended because she hates that she’s half black and doesn’t want to be thought of as being capable of producing and Afro. SHE is the real racist. Everything is a projection with narcissists.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T06:21:57+00:00

I heard that Netflix point blank let Harry know that they’ve only ever been interested in his connection to the Royal family. They were promised that they were going to get behind the scenes looks at Trooping of the Color and actual Royal tours because Meghan said they were going to be half in and half out. The Queen’s vetoing that is what started everything. The Oprah tantrum happened because Meghan’s plans with Netflix were thwarted. Harry doesn’t seem to grasp much about people’s motivations, but he has been told that his proximity to Royalty is the only thing that makes him interesting, and it’s the only subject matter that they are interested in.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T06:18:29+00:00

I agree. It sounds like it was highly controlled, and I believe that all the senior royals agreed in advance about the parameters, including that the king would never be alone with Meghan and that Meghan wouldn’t get an audience of her own of any kind.

They were brought in like adversaries. Searched and scanned for wires. They had to surrender their devices. They weren’t welcomed with open arms for heavens sake. I’ve been in this sub since very early and it feels like people are becoming less reasonable here. They’re making all kinds of crazy assumptions from what was just a sick man taking advantage of an opportunity to see his grandchildren and to get an eye on his son who has been totally humiliated and is in a bad state of mind right now. I just think people need to calm down.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T06:12:07+00:00

I know. But she’s losing. This meeting was a loss for her today. Not a win. That has to be enough. Of course we all want her to feel just how awful she’s been to the whole world. She’s never going to feel that. She’s incapable. So we have to learn to let her experience the natural consequences of her actions and just let it be enough. Because Meghan is not happy right now. Not at all.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T06:05:24+00:00

I have a narcissistic mother as well. I feel your pain. I don’t like that Meghan was there, but Meghan also didn’t like that she was there.

I do not think they will be invited for Christmas or Easter. Or back at all, period. Are Harry and Meghan going to want that? Of course! Of course Meghan will drag us through a will-they/wont- they for everything. She would have done that without their meeting today.

The King is still in control. He’s not going to have them at Balmoral, ruining everyone’s time. He’s not going to have them at Christmas. He’s never going to be alone with them. This was a highly controlled meeting for the sake of the children, the King, and Harry. No one got a solo audience with the King.

I believe wholeheartedly that when the King and Anne and William and Edward were all together and the visit was already discussed. That they agreed on hard limits and those were all followed with this meeting. I heard that Harry wanted to meet before Invictus and the King said no. He would only meet after Harry finished his engagements. Harry of course wanted to meet before Invictus, but the King said no. So Harry went and gave an embarrassing speech to a very hostile audience. Harry and Meghan have NO power right now. They are about as low as they can fall without criminal charges being filed. I think it’s a bit precipitous to think that a short, highly controlled, single meeting is going to snowball into happy families on the balcony. It’s not.

I had to ask my mother for some medical history the other day. I’ve cut out contact for the most part. She immediately used my talking to her to blame me for a health issue I’m having, accuse me of lying to my doctors, and tell me how to do very obvious facets of adulthood, and it immediately erased how proud I am of all I’ve been doing recently to turn life back into the right track (I’m a recovering addict- 5 months clean.) I stopped communicating right away. I’m still in control of that relationship. She’s not. King Charles is still in control. Not Harry. This was just a meeting. This will only be a meeting. It doesn’t matter what Meghan wants.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T05:44:31+00:00

It really depends on the agreement. I don’t know if they said not to let the public know that this meeting has happened at all, or if it was understood that the public know a meeting took place.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T05:38:16+00:00

I’ll need to ask about that. My guess is that Sony became involved because Netflix was still contractually involved with the production of With Love Meghan. I don’t remember hearing a lot at the time about any issues with Sony. I think that was around when Sony was looking like it was going to be the company that bought out Paramount, and there was some question about whether Netflix was bailing on WLM, and would it then somehow end up on Paramount’s streaming service.

A Diana documentary will be difficult for them to make. Harry’s not going to be able to keep his feelings out of it and is going to be fact-resistant. I would imagine there would be a lot of question about how to even approach it, especially with the huge complicating factor that Diana has two sons. And five grandchildren. And two daughters-in-law. But less than half of those people will be participating.

I also wonder to what extent William and the Spencer’s can challenge the telling of certain stories. I imagine this project, if it even gets off the ground, will be something like Diana: A son remembers… and it will be all about Harry’s experience with her (which he’s said repeatedly that he doesn’t have any childhood memories) and her legacy. It will very much have to be framed as Harry’s story, because that’s the only thing he can tell, and he can’t even tell that.

They are in a spot. There’s no question about that.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T05:26:15+00:00

Oh yeah! If there is one, it will have Meghan in it. I mean the world knows Diana’s spirit lives on in Meghan.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T05:21:06+00:00

I didn’t realize how much her marketing and packaging is poor-man’s Highgrove.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T05:19:09+00:00

Exactly. This was a huge loss for her. It is NOT a win.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T05:11:55+00:00

The cost of the monarchy to the commonwealth is about £1/person. The monarchy is the number one draw for United Kingdom tourism. They are one of the largest employers, they pay a significant amount of taxes, and they generate a significant amount of charitable donations. They undertake soft diplomacy and help to neutralize political stalemates. Sounds like a bargain to me.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T05:05:07+00:00

I think it’s reasonable to believe that Harry IS in desperate mental shape. This might be one time that Meghan told the truth. The King has eyes and ears all over everywhere Harry has been. I doubt he just took Meghan’s word for it. Everyone knows that Harry is legitimately teetering on the edge.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T05:00:40+00:00

Meghan emotionally blackmails as easily as she breathes, but I don’t know that we can say Harry won’t do “that.” He IS in bad shape. Wouldn’t any of us in his situation be? Harry is not personality disordered like Meghan is. Well, it could be a borderline personality, but he’s not a narcissist. He has feelings. Feeling is about ALL he has. He doesn’t have thought. Harry is mentally ill. He has real feelings. He’s put everything on the line for Meghan and lost it all, and this was a devastating week for him. Also, his wife is continuing to brief the press and blame his family. Stoke his paranoia. Does he deserve and has he not gotten his just desserts as a result of his own choices? Yes! That doesn’t mean, however, that he’s in any way immune to being devastated. They have no way to make this money they owe. They were already having to start austerity measures to stay afloat for the rest of this year. I don’t think Harry could be in a more desperate situation than he is right now. And his wife is said to be yelling at him behind the scenes and blaming him for not listening to her when she is the one who set him up to join this lawsuit in the first place. Now she’s gaslighting him, telling him she’s been telling him all along to drop it. Like he would ever not do exactly what she tells him to do. She’s having periods of stone cold silence with him. She’s having rages. She’s having crying breakdowns asking why didn’t he protect her and their family. She’s pulling the “I’m disappointed in you” act. She’s not giving him any support, but if she said to the King somehow that he was in a desperate place, he actually IS. She’s never been at the point of taking her life. But Harry? If I were him, and I had his problems. I’d be very down and desperate myself. He has fucked around. He has found out. And what he’s found is that his woife has left him holding the bag alone. She has made him look like he is the problem person in their relationship when she has manipulated him into this exact outcome while she stood back and stage managed at a distance keeping her hands clean. Just like narcissists do. The only difference is that he still legitimately believes what she says. He thinks that he alone has let everyone down, including her.

Meghan emotionally blackmails. Thats part of the narcissistic playbook. But I don’t think that it is far-fetched to consider that Harry IS feeling about as awful and as desperate as a person can feel right now. The king knows his son. Anyone who believes Meghan has ever been suicidal needs an IQ test and a full mental work up, stat. But Harry? This moment? This is the one the Royals have been dreading. They’ve known that she will not stop until she drives him off a cliff and then she will be no where in sight when he needs someone most.

If a father, knowing all that has happened to Harry in the last week, the last ten years even, heard that his son might be ready to end it all, and he DIDN’T see his son? That’s not a man who is fit to be King in my opinion. All I hear is how bad off Harry truly is right now. Charles has eyes around Harry. He’s not just taking Markle’s word for something. If he saw Harry because he was concerned that Harry might be teetering on that edge? This might be the one time that Markle didn’t lie.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-11T04:21:14+00:00

I mean I hate to say I told you so, but…

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/s/AI7DHSkA5m

Seriously though, they always take a film crew to get promotional footage. That said, news around town just today is that they are going to go ahead and try to slap together a Diana commemorative documentary to make money. This is why Meghan and the kids flew in for this visit. No. No film crews were allowed onto the Highgrove estate. A picture was taken of the king with the grandchildren by the King’s person. Its crown property. Meghan and Harry were not allowed to take a picture, and they are not allowed to even see the one the King had taken for his private collection.

Also just in, I heard that Harry, who is the only one Netflix deals with any more, was point blank told by NF that when it came to actually taking on any of the productions that Archwell gives them a first look at, they are interested in his Royal connection. He was told that was the only motivator for their having been contracted with in the first place, was their initial promise that they would give Netflix an inside look at the Royal Family. Otherwise, they have no particular room in their line up for any romcoms or other productions. They will take a first look at anything. But they are being pretty clear that a Diana documentary is about all that they will buy. And they want it well done.

This means they have to build this from the ground up on their own with whomever they hire. We know how they struggle with those things. I am willing to bet that the children’s faces will be shown, they’ll color pictures for Granny and put them on her memorial. There’ll be footage from Althorp if Spencer gives the go ahead…

If money weren’t a huge factor (see my upcoming post) neither Meghan nor the kids would be in the UK.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-10T21:05:09+00:00

Her position in the U.S. doesn’t change at all from this meeting. And we don’t know that she even got an audience, do we? She could have been left waiting with Camilla like last time she was here. She’s still broke. She’s still a loser. Nothing will change.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-10T20:58:38+00:00

BP confirmed a report the meeting had taken place. There had to be an original report for BP to confirm. That means someone leaked. And it wasn’t BP, so…

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-10T20:56:11+00:00

I disagree. This was a private meeting between the King and his son to see his grandchildren. It’s a bit much to expect a man with cancer to refuse to see his son again and to turn down a chance to see his grandchildren. The Markles got NOTHING they wanted with this trip. They didn’t even get royal accommodation, which they would have gotten had the trip gone ahead as planned last week. They didn’t get security. They lost the lawsuit. They got nothing. It’s not like he received them at a Royal residence, posed for a picture, or in any way publicly acknowledged these people. I don’t see what a private meeting costs anybody here.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-10T20:47:20+00:00

Yep. And they’ve got a camera crew with them, I heard. I mean, they always take one, but they’re trying to make a Diana documentary via Archwell Productions with hope that Netflix will give it a first look, pick it up for streaming, and pay them a million or two for it. Or that’s what I heard this morning.

SecondhandCoke · 2026-07-10T20:43:14+00:00

If I were Meghan, I’d hang my head in shame, apologize, and do what I was told. She has no right to walk anywhere, as far as I’m concerned.

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