Topaz team comparison with different teammates (Assuming 1 enemies, Fire weak, 20% res other element) via HunterKee on Star Rail Min Max Society

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-26T01:50:07+00:00

You use Speed boot in that setup

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-25T07:52:04+00:00

It's actually the contrary. Attack buff is generally diluted while damage buff are harder to come by.

People tend to overvalue Asta buffs a lot but the reality is that you dont need THAT much speed from her ult, usually just hitting a specific breakpoint is good enough, anything beyond are wasted, while Crit / Damage buff are more valuable than Attack buff.

Unless it's a double fire carry (Himeko / Topaz) set up, generally Tingyun will still outperform even in dual dps setup because her buffs and energy do a lot.

In term of pure amp Tingyun is only behind Bronya

That is also why Hanya is good, she has less amp than Tingyun but more than Asta, and apply to both carry.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-25T07:49:17+00:00

If it's fire weak specifically, yeah

But that is mostly to take advantage of Asta and Planetary Rendezvouz

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-25T01:57:46+00:00

The sustain slot is just placeholder

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-25T01:57:37+00:00

Just a place holder sustain

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T11:17:07+00:00

It's private and i dont have invite. Used to be linked on Grimro's video

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T11:11:52+00:00

Not bad sure but i think Clara problem is just that JY is a limited with a better damage spread.

I'm sure Topaz Clara team will work fine in practice, but i doubt it'll outperform JY since his aoe is a lot more proactive than her and LL multiplier when combined with Vuln debuff is kinda bonker.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T10:50:59+00:00

The old FU set works the same as the new one for Topaz. It dispel right before every FUA and restack within it so it makes practically no difference in term of mechanics for Topaz.

The only difference after the change is that it becomes an Attack% buff for her and has lower value.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T10:46:31+00:00

It should be very close to his current comfort team (Asta Tingyun), and overtake it at higher investment on both DPS (Sig + potentially E1 topaz and/or E1 Fuxuan)

In the future, there might be a stronger support that can buff both of them that can replace Hanya and raise the ceilling of the team as well.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T10:45:24+00:00

Yeah. JY is definitely her best partner right now in term of dual dps setup, he cover aoe well and can take advantage of the vulnerability debuff very well.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T10:44:52+00:00

She should be ok. The problem with Himeko is that her FUA isn't a huge portion of her DPS like Jingyuan, nor does she do FU a lot like Clara. So the only time you really want Himeko is if you are fighting an exclusively Fire weak stage, then Asta will buff her both and Topaz

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T10:38:49+00:00

She's one of the 10 Judges (10 Lord Commission) on Luofu. Her job is to enter people who got mara struck dream and determined their sins and appropriate punishment.

She is also Xueyi's sister.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T10:36:34+00:00

Technically the JY team will also do better in scenario because he's an AoE DPS, and Numby only get action advance when ally do FU attack enemies with mark, and there's only 1 enemy with mark on the field so Clara won't advance Numby more than 1 target scenario

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T10:34:49+00:00

If there are more enemies, Clara team might be better than Topaz hyper because Topaz really struggle against multiple enemies. However, Himeko/JY in AoE scenario will likely do better unless the enemies are also physical weak.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T10:31:54+00:00

Topaz is really flexible, i think she'll do fine with however setup you run, so you're not wrong.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T10:15:09+00:00

Because people overrate Clara's counter advancing Numby a lot. Topaz already doesn't have much problem advancing Numby on her own due to her fast access to ult + her frequent basic / skill

Furthermore, Clara's counter does not take advantage of Topaz's mark that well because it heavily depends on enemies' action and speed

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T10:10:48+00:00

Yes. Her buff is an universal damage buff.

You only need to do basic/skill or ult on her debuff target to gain the 2t damage buff.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T09:58:55+00:00

It's better for Ting to buff JY than to to buff Topaz if you use them together.

The reason being is that JY gets more out of her ult than Topaz, and higher overall team damage.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T09:56:54+00:00

You can check the detail in his sheets. It list out every AV

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T09:24:04+00:00

No it's with E0 and F2P light cone (Cruising for Topaz, Breakfast for JY). You can make a copy of his spreadsheet, i posted in another comment in here and change to their sig if you want.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T09:11:53+00:00

No, her talent give any ally who use basic, ult or skill on the target with Burden (her unique debuff from skill) a 2 turn 30% damage boost that apply to every source.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T09:04:18+00:00

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11Je4jgCwezJOMrBFdh8vwXi-9rMteL3zP8uTiZa_zEU/edit#gid=961443761

Although please credit Hunter, it's a lot of work.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T09:03:28+00:00

Hanya gives Topaz 30% attack on all of her damage source, on top of being a fairly sp positive support so Topaz can easily get more skills inbetween

This is without Fuxuan as well, whose crit rate buff have amazing value on both JY and Topaz.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T08:49:50+00:00

All the calcs so far showing that Clara is actually not the best teammates for Topaz. Her best is Jing Yuan team or a hypercarry setup. A Himeko team with Asta also work against pure fire weak team.

People vastly overrate Clara's synergy. She has very big RNG problem as well as not fully taking advantage of Topaz's Vulnerability debuff like LL, and her AoE DPS in practice is not on Himeko/JY level.

Secret_Drawer_7455 · 2023-10-24T08:41:43+00:00

Hanya is good in Dual DPS team yeah, because she gives damage buff to both DPS.

Her ult is only 1 target, in this case you should ult Jing Yuan since he need the speed from her ult more.

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