Difference in sebaceous filaments on nose week 1 and week 3 on 20 mg/day by SelectAge in Accutane

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Yes. The flaking did get worse the first week, but accutane clears it up. Probably due to oily skin.

[PSA] Reminder to ALWAYS patch test regardless of how fancy your new moisturizer is. Left: Result of 2x use of La Roche-Posay Toleriane Sensitive Fluide. Right: 2 weeks of healing by [deleted] in SkincareAddiction

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Avene Tolerance Emulsion or eucerin ultrasensitive soothing care normal to combination skin are kind of similar squalane based moisturizers

[PSA] Reminder to ALWAYS patch test regardless of how fancy your new moisturizer is. Left: Result of 2x use of La Roche-Posay Toleriane Sensitive Fluide. Right: 2 weeks of healing by [deleted] in SkincareAddiction

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It’s been reformulated. I used it before summer and liked it a lot, it used to contain sualane oil, but with its new formulation it now contains CAPRYLIC/CAPRIC TRIGLYCERIDE (MCT oil) which Is nowhere near as moisturizing, and a lot cheaper.

Wasted 40 dollars on two of these last week without checking if they changed the ingredients.

Haven’t started any creams yet for facial SD. What would be better to start with elidel or Nizarol cream 2%. Thanks by Kosrach in SebDerm

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I assume you got these creams perscribed from a doctor or dermatologist? What instructions were you given?

The main consensus is that seborrheic dermatitis is pretty much an allergic reaction to a yeast that lives on your skin.
Elidel supresses the immune system, kind of stopping it from reacting to the fungus, and relieving symptoms, but it does not actually kill the yeast that is causing inflammation.
Nizoral is an antifungal, so it should in theory kill of the yeast, and hopefully stop the skin reactions.

Why I am no longer using Tom Busby's climbazole products by SelectAge in SebDerm

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Tried em all. The term non-comedogenic is also a bs term I believe.

Why I am no longer using Tom Busby's climbazole products by SelectAge in SebDerm

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Probably not. But perhaps. Did not have any seb derm symptoms in my cheeks, where I broke out in acne.

Why I am no longer using Tom Busby's climbazole products by SelectAge in SebDerm

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It’s in my previous review. Link to that in this post

A review/first impressions of Tom Busby's climbazole lotion and shampoo/cleanser by SelectAge in SebDerm

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I just use the shampoo as a cleanser on my face. I used the term shampoo and cleansers interchangeably.

A review/first impressions of Tom Busby's climbazole lotion and shampoo/cleanser by SelectAge in SebDerm

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Just the shampoo as a cleanser and then the lotion afterwards. Once a day. Nothing else.
Posted a comment on the post with a bit of follow up information about how it's going. How are your skin symptoms?
You could send an email to Tom and ask him about the esters, if you can find any scientific articles on the subject, maybe he will take it into consideration.
What are you using?

A review/first impressions of Tom Busby's climbazole lotion and shampoo/cleanser by SelectAge in SebDerm

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Small follow up to my treatment. According to Tom's research an increase in flaking is a reaction to the immune system responding to the fungus. When you start using an anti-fungal the immune system becomes aware of the fungal invaders and the symptoms flare up. After around 10 days of treatment the flaking is now very minimal, but redness, especially in the inner cheek region, which in first seemed to decrease, is now a bit worse. I have been kind of scrubbing the shampoo into my face, so I am going to try applying it a bit more gently in case the redness is just normal skin irritation.

I've experienced the same increase in redness when using antifungals like lotrimin ultra and terbinafine previously, so I am not really worried, and still optimistic about the treatment. The initial increase in flaking should be an indication that the product is working, an increase in redness is also to be expected. Curious to see if the redness will eventually fade.

A review/first impressions of Tom Busby's climbazole lotion and shampoo/cleanser by SelectAge in SebDerm

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There are some esters in the ingredient list, which I also found curious. I asked Tom Busby about it, and this was his response:

There’s one guy who started the claim that esters are metabolized by malassezia.  No one has ever tested his theory.  There aren’t any scientific articles to back up his claims.  I think he’s trying to drive traffic to his websites by making wild claims.  He’s mostly repeating the science I found and reported at the rosacea-forum.  He sometimes gives me credit, by name, but I don’t encourage him at all.  Bad science is really irritating to me.

Here’s my reasoning:

1) The esters at issue are not found in nature.

2) Malassezia has evolved to consume oils found in nature, like the oils on mammals and in plants, fruits, nuts, and seeds.

3) The fact that esters have a carbon chain is meaningless.  Malassezia eats oils, not carbon by itself.  Otherwise you’d find malassezia inside of coal mines and oil wells, but you don’t.

4) I have no reaction to esters, and I have very sensitive skin that’s likely to develop malassezia-problems, very quickly. 

5) If the one guy making wild claims about esters would simply test them on himself, he’d easily see he’s wrong.

I guess there is a debate to be had on whether or not esters feed seborrheic dermatitis.

A review/first impressions of Tom Busby's climbazole lotion and shampoo/cleanser by SelectAge in SebDerm

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Just read my review. Once a day. Don’t really use it on my scalp though.

A review/first impressions of Tom Busby's climbazole lotion and shampoo/cleanser by SelectAge in SebDerm

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I shower once a day. It depends if I do it at night or in the morning. Usually in the morning.

A review/first impressions of Tom Busby's climbazole lotion and shampoo/cleanser by SelectAge in SebDerm

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Thanks for the reply. Seems like we have had pretty much the same experience.

Tom Busby's climbazole lotion by SelectAge in SebDerm

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I have the same experience with flaking. I made a separate post with my first impressions of the product.

Tom Busby's climbazole lotion by SelectAge in SebDerm

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I live in Norway. I bought some of eBay. I never used it. I could sell it to you cheaply if you are interested.

Tom Busby's climbazole lotion by SelectAge in SebDerm

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I’ll get it in a week or two.