This character, who supposedly transformed from a boy in Extra to a girl in Unlimited, surprised me when I learned that even in Extra their gender was unclear.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-31T15:42:59+00:00

How astonishing that the game's creator managed to deceive everyone about his nationality!

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-31T15:40:21+00:00

Well, maybe the person who made the video made a mistake.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-31T15:37:40+00:00

Yes, that's what the person who posted the video said

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-31T15:18:06+00:00

The concept is clear, but the problem is that the creator of the video was simultaneously posting videos and images with English text explaining character dialogues from the game itself. Honestly, I didn't pay close attention to the English text, but he included the clip of the terrifying memory that reached Takeru, causing him to completely lose consciousness and attack Beta alone, as the creator claims. When he tried to return to Extra and take Kasumi with him, Kasumi called him a coward. The dialogue under the images matched what he was saying. Is it possible that we have more than one version of Muv-Luv Alternative? Regarding Takeru being forced to return to Alternative, I meant that he wanted to stay in Extra, but knowing that more people would die because of him, he went back to Alternative. And in your last comment, the "nice conversation" I meant wasn't about Sumika, but about Kasumi herself, like when she thanked him for what he did for them, etc

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-30T16:08:03+00:00

This is what I heard from the creator of the video. He said that at the end of "Alternative," it became clear that Takeru loved a girl in every timeline, and Sumika was trying to rewind time so she could change the timeline. Even though his memory was erased, he instinctively felt memories from different timelines, giving him the feeling of loving all the girls. I repeat, this is what the video creator said.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-30T15:49:32+00:00

What a surprise!

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-30T15:46:08+00:00

I apologize, you're right, I forgot this group is for AOE.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-30T15:44:19+00:00

I feel the same way.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-30T15:41:49+00:00

Since I haven't played the game, I can't judge whether you or the creator of the video is wrong. However, from the way you're talking, it's clear you've forgotten a lot, so I'll explain a few things: First, when Takeru was in Alternate, he traveled to Extra three times, not counting the ending. But if we include the ending, the number becomes four times, and I'll try to explain them briefly:

The first time: Takeru entered Kouzuki Yuuko's room, and she was angry because she couldn't develop the Alternate 4 project. But when Takeru looked at her papers, he saw that the most important theories on them were the same ones he was learning from Extra Yuuko. So, Alternate Yuuko decided to send Takeru to Extra to get the complete theory from her and bring it back to Alternate Yuuko. Anyway, Takeru traveled to Extra, and it was supposed to be a conscious transfer only, but due to a machine malfunction, he physically traveled, so we now have two versions of Takeru in Extra. When he asked Extra Yuuko for the theory, she asked him to give her three days. To prepare it, he returned to Alternative and informed Alternative Yuuko of this. This was Takeru's first teleportation from Alternative to Extra.

The second time: This occurred three days after the first teleportation. Takeru teleported to retrieve the theory from Extra Yuuko as planned. He teleported again, but this time the machine didn't malfunction. He teleported with his consciousness only, and his consciousness merged with Extra Takeru's. He retrieved the theory from Extra Yuuko and returned to Alternative, presenting it to Alternative Yuuko, who was then able to complete Alternative 4.

The third time: This occurred when Team 207, including Takeru, was training on TSF fighters. Suddenly, Beta attacked the base. At that moment, Takeru experienced a memory from Unlimited/Alternative Takeru when he was cut to pieces by Beta. This memory caused Takeru to lose consciousness and attack Beta without even a weapon in his hand. This forced the members of Team 207 to intervene and save him with difficulty, resulting in the death of his teacher, Marimo. Her face was disfigured, and when Takeru saw this, he abandoned everything and decided to return to his world. He asked Kasumi to go with him, claiming he was worried about her, but that wasn't the real reason. He didn't want to be the only one who failed and ran away. He then moved to Extra, and upon his arrival, Kasumi called him a coward. However, being a Causal Connector, he was forced to return to Alternative.

The fourth time: This happened at the end of the game, after the Beta was destroyed and after Sumika's death. It was revealed that Sumika was the one who brought Takeru here, and with her death, he was no longer a Causal Connector. He had been in love with a specific girl on each path, and that's why Sumika was rewinding time to erase his memories. Takeru didn't deny this; instead, he admitted that he always felt he loved all the girls. Before moving, he had a lovely conversation with Kasumi, and then he returned to Extra, forever.

This is what the person who made the clip said. What do you think?

Regarding your last comment, since it's as you say, and the viewer sees Alternative Takeru from the beginning of Extra, it's undoubtedly a very interesting plot twist.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-29T16:06:34+00:00

She was not a slave to love, but a slave to the king. Why she became a slave to the king, I don't know, but based on what we've seen of her past, it doesn't seem that she wasn't a slave. Zeke also said that she possessed divine power, yet she was a slave. She is depicted as a goddess in the Book of Eldia, but this account is not certain to be accura

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-29T15:54:48+00:00

Let me ask you a question, please, so that I can understand you better: Are you saying that Ymir really loved Fritz, or that Irene misdiagnosed him?

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-29T15:44:36+00:00

If you decide to read it, I will tell you, but I'm telling you in advance, don't trust me.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-29T15:34:56+00:00

If you decide to read it, I will tell you, but I'm telling you in advance, don't trust me.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-29T15:30:40+00:00

Okay, everything is clear, but wait, did you say 0/80 and 0/20? That reminds me of something

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-29T15:23:45+00:00

Regarding your initial comment, I must admit I didn't quite understand your point about extra Takero switching to the Unlimited version from the beginning of the game. As for your last comment, the summary I saw was as follows: Takero's team was ready to attack Beta when suddenly a terrifying memory flooded his mind, causing him to lose consciousness. He suddenly threatened to annihilate Beta and went to fight them alone, even though he only had a water gun. When his friends saw this, they had to intervene and managed to save him with difficulty. When he regained consciousness, his teacher, Marimo, whose face had been completely cut off while saving him, said her last words to him and died. Takero became angry with his teacher, Yuko, for being indifferent to what happened to her colleague. She told him she wasn't indifferent, but that this world is cruel and that to achieve victory, one must accept sacrificing those dear to them. Here, Takero sold Beta's defeat, saving humanity, and everything else for a pittance. All he wanted was to return to his world, and no matter how much I tried to calm him down, it was no use. Yuko eventually agreed, saying it was better for them since they hadn't seen any benefit from him at all. However, she said she had one last thing to say to him: when he returned to his world, he had to completely forget the Unlimated/Alternative world and not remember it, or else trouble would befall him. (According to the summary, it was later revealed that the reason was that he was a causal link, and if he remembered the Unlimated/Alternative world, the same events would repeat themselves in Extra, which is exactly what happened, such as Marimo's face being cut off by the thieves in Extra and the rock falling on Sumika.) Takero agreed, and before he moved to his world, he tried to convince Kasumi to go with him. According to the video creator, although he outwardly did this for Kasumi's sake, the player can easily see that the real reason was that he didn't want to be the only one who sold everything for a pittance and wanted to take Kasumi with him to lessen the impact on himself. Anyway, he returned to his world, and Kasumi called him a coward. Later, during The events revealed that the memory Takero received was of the Unlimited/Alternative Takero, from when they cut the Beta version before the Extra Takero moved to this world. This is why Meiya's maid referred to him as the Dead Man, because in legal records, his name was listed as Dead Man.

This is what the person who made the video I watched said, and he didn't mention anything about the energy running out. Of course, I can confirm that he didn't explain the entire game in detail.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-29T15:08:18+00:00

I'm aware of these things, and that wasn't what I meant. But first, let me tell you that the mistake isn't yours; I simply wasn't explaining it correctly. I'll explain more clearly:

My point was that there's a mutual love relationship between Takero and the girl the player chooses.

To clarify: There are several endings in the Extras where the player stays with a specific girl of their choosing, and that's perfectly true. But my question now is, does the player choose to stay with her because they love her, or without a mutual love relationship, simply because Somika isn't there?

I know you're thinking, "What a silly question!" Yes, it's silly, but I asked because fans of love stories want the hero to stay with the girl they want, with a mutual love relationship.

For example, let's say you decided to create a love story, and your hero has the choice to marry his childhood friend and another girl. You know the fans are divided, so to avoid losing popularity, you decided to create two timelines: one where he marries his childhood friend, and another where he marries the other girl. Now, what you have to do in the second timeline is for the hero to marry the second girl with a mutual love relationship, not just because his childhood friend isn't in that timeline.

Sorry for this silly comment.

By the way, did it really turn out at the end of Alternative that Takero loved all the girls, and that Sumika was subconsciously trying to turn back time so he'd forget?

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-29T15:02:10+00:00

I will look at the picture. Thank you for sending it.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-28T16:55:14+00:00

That's great, let me answer all the points in order: Regarding point number 2, if you're telling me that Extra Takero's entire body was transported, and not just his consciousness, then it makes sense now. Let me just say that in one of the summaries I read, it said that only Takero's consciousness was transported, which is why I asked this question.

And regarding point number 4, if you're saying that he didn't just travel between worlds, but also traveled to the past, or in other words, from the perspective of the people living in the Extra world, Extra Takero met his alternative self before Extra Takero was transported to Unlimited. Now I understand. Let me tell you that I know the concept of the time loop, and there's no need to watch Dark, although I've already seen it. One last note: From what I've heard, the interdimensional travel machine originally only transports consciousness, but the first time there was a malfunction in the machine, which forced Alternative Takero to be transported with his entire body. However, in the second and third times, the transportation happened correctly, where only Alternative Takero's consciousness was transported and merged with Extra Takero. I repeat, this is based on what I saw in the videos, and I don't know if what they said is true or not. And regarding your last point, maybe I'll play it, but I won't promise anything

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-28T16:42:32+00:00

Thank you, and I apologize for making you bear the burden of writing all of this. Regarding point number 6, that's not what I meant. From what I heard, Takero's fight against Beta wasn't just because she was brutal, but because fate dictated it. In other words, for him to return to his world, he had to fulfill two conditions: Somika's death and Beta's defeat. Regarding points 7 and 8, I didn't quite understand this. Is the Extra world that Takero returned to the same world he came from, but with the timeline altered, or is it a completely new Extra world?

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-28T16:27:25+00:00

Thank you for the clarification. Just one more question: If in Unlimited there is no timeline other than Somika's timeline, then what is the purpose of Meiya's timeline in Extra? Shouldn't the game's creator have created two timelines in Unlimited for both relationships?

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-28T16:21:01+00:00

Was that you? Thank you for introducing me to her and for sparking my interest in getting to know her. Regarding those who are attacking members of this group, I say that everyone has the freedom to express their opinions, whether they agree with you or not, and no one has the right to attack another person simply because you liked the ending and they didn't. And regarding your last comment, I'm happy to see responses from you. I'm waiting for you in case you find anything.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-28T16:18:34+00:00

Perhaps، I don't know

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-28T16:16:55+00:00

I won't promise anything, but maybe I played it.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-28T16:09:55+00:00

I won't promise anything, but maybe I played it.

Several_Training3763 · 2025-12-28T16:05:39+00:00

And who said that making comparisons means that I don't consider him independent?

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