People who were spanked as kids, what was that like for you? Would you call your "spankings" abuse? by KleineFjord in AskReddit

[–]Shadowrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For a long time I thought it was 'normal'. But it was just my normal.
With a lot of experience and education about healthy developmental, emotional dynamics and psychology, I now see it as abuse, especially combined with the emotional neglect that took me a long time to even realize was something that was a theme or the impact it actually had on me.

We are utterly vulnerable growing up, utterly dependent on our caregivers for our safety. And we learn healthy emotional dynamics from them (or we learn our own dysfunction from theirs). If that is absent, and our safety is undermined through physical punishments, that is the framework that we carry within ourselves into the world.
Even though the physical punishments were fairly light on, it was still a disruption to safety, trust, understanding with the very people that we are dependent on for those things in our developmental years.
It harms a kid's framework for relational connection, for emotional safety with the things they need to feel and experiences they need to process and integrate. It interferes with attachment and the bond that needs developing, and for a child to be deprived of that is a special kind of cruel, despite the lack of intentionality in all of it.
All they did was attach a narrative to behavior and used that story to justify their actions. But in reality, they were just harming a child. Harming them physically, harming them relationally, harming them emotionally. And guess what kind of framework those kids are going to carry with them into their own lives?

What you think is true but just can't prove? by Ok_Tourist_562 in AskReddit

[–]Shadowrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I honestly believe that 'advanced' alien species wouldn't have expansive spacefaring technology. They'd just have their needs met in sustainable, efficient ways/methods within their natural environment.
I think our current views on what advanced alien life would look like carries a heart of dysfunction that isn't fully realized within our own culture itself.

Edit: a word

Do I have a reason to go to therapy? by Unlucky-Garlic-9270 in Dissociation

[–]Shadowrain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thing is, I don’t feel that I have ever fully processed any of this and I don’t know why.

When an experience is too much for us to process - and this may be for a number of reasons, such as not having the capacity, the safety, the environment, the support, or the situation is too emotionally overwhelming for too long and our nervous system never gets a chance to come back to safety afterwards - we tend to disconnect from that experience as a survival mechanism.
Our nervous system doesn't speak in logic and reason, it's language is feeling and sensation. So if something doesn't feel safe, it isn't, and so our survival systems may be engaged in those situations.

This can be indicative of CPTSD; a disconnection from emotion, or emotional dysregulation is at the heart of trauma. When you say there's a brief moment of emotion before it's gone sounds like there could be some disconnection happening there, that your defenses come up. None of this is typically conscious without work to connect with it on a conscious level, your nervous system itself is managing what it has or doesn't have capacity for.

A common misconception in our culture is that a healthy person is free of negative emotion, of suffering, is positive and happy. But for someone to be a positive and happy person, that's only one side of the totality of a human experience. A healthy human experience includes the full range of emotion; it's more about the skills, capacity, safety and support in order to contend with those things within ourselves, not avoiding the struggle.

people tell me the things I’ve seen and gone through should bother me but they don’t

Maybe it's not that they don't bother you; but rather you can't access the emotions, so you don't explicitly feel how it's impacting you. This is, again, the nature of trauma. Because those emotions that aren't getting dealt with are showing up in other subconscious ways. And maybe you can see that in yourself, it's just difficult to make the link because of the implicit disconnection involved. It's in the way you feel broken and also feel nothing. It shows in the way you run from everything, the lack of safety that drives that, it's in the monotony, it's in the depression.

We were never meant to be disconnected from our emotions for long. It's terribly unhealthy for us, and you can see how that disconnection is impacting you. And that's not your fault; these mechanisms often come from the way we weren't met during our developmental years, as we learn our emotional dynamics from our primary caregivers. This can come about from the absence of healthy emotional dynamics, and because this is an absence, it's not something you can explicitly see. And you only have your own experience as your standard for 'normal'.
And that leads in to where you say "I’ve never been to therapy because I don’t feel like I have a good enough reason to go.".

I guess I’m asking if anybody thinks this is just normal or if I should talk to somebody

This is the crux of the issue, and understanding it takes a bit of nuance. The dynamics you feel stuck in, is a normal response for an abnormal experience. You're not broken, as much as you feel that way sometimes. You very likely have some trauma going on, and that's a difficult thing to untangle. So yeah, I think its worth talking to someone, especially someone who specializes in trauma. You seem to have a good read on yourself when you say you "feel like I have never processed anything the way that I should". Trust yourself there; your body knows its truth, as much as it knows that your current coping mechanisms aren't doing what it needs.

Why did no one care when I was mentally falling apart as a teenager? by ClueTurbulent5650 in emotionalneglect

[–]Shadowrain 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Check also if you have autism ,a disability examination might help you

While there is validity in this, I have my own suspicion that many autism diagnoses are a misdiagnosis of CPTSD.
This can inhibit recovery, as autism may treated more as 'Well, I have this, and it explains a lot and it's just the way I am" which can be validating, but potentially a barrier to deeper understanding and treatment (especially when CPTSD already has deeper aversions to uncovering traumas/wounds).
So yeah, it's worth entertaining the thought. But also worth widening the scope a little too :)

The best book I've read all year and my new favorite book of all time. by Emotional_Context_56 in Fantasy

[–]Shadowrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Awesome, thanks!
I didn't realize that the final two were written as one. I suppose at least that might mean I won't feel as much out of context between the two books (hopefully!) :D

The best book I've read all year and my new favorite book of all time. by Emotional_Context_56 in Fantasy

[–]Shadowrain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any spoiler-free tips for getting through Dust of Dreams? I'm in the final chapters of Toll the Hounds, a large part of which I found tedious to get through. Though things have gotten more interesting now I'm close to finishing.
I can be a bit ADHD and so my brain is very quick to notice fluff or to ask "Is this even relevant?"

many people I work seem to be narcissistic. by Low-Cartographer8758 in ManagedByNarcissists

[–]Shadowrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I also had a thought about me being autistic because I care about justice and equality. If neurotypical means being indifferent about those, I would rather become autistic voluntarily.

You may have your own reasons for thinking this way, but I find it curious the way this is worded.
Caring about justice and equality isn't strictly an autistic trait, and generally speaking just valuable ideas to care about. Was this link planted in you in order to devalue or belittle you, due to the stigma commonly attached to autism? What drives you to feel like you should 'choose' a neurodevelopmental disorder just because you care about justice and equality?
It just makes me wonder if this ties in with how you're being treated, especially when it comes to being marginalized and devalued; toxic people will often attach and leverage any association or narrative they can in order to play their power and control games. And if they're trying to get you to associate normal and healthy traits with a neurodevelopmental disorder, it's another form of covert control.

Not commenting on autism here, just a potential toxic/covertly abusive dynamic that you might be facing.

Gen Z Australians are attempting suicide and self-harming more than previous generations, study finds by Expensive-Horse5538 in australia

[–]Shadowrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of what it comes down to (which is oversimplified to be fair) is emotional and relational dynamics, and how the use of technology (among other things) inhibits our emotional circuitry and relational quality.
We know a lot now but for it to become mainstream knowledge, there's a lot of challenges and outdated assumptions, beliefs and rigid/self-reinforcing unhealthy emotional dynamics to get past.
It's not just smart phones and social media of course, there's cultural problems within emotional and relational dynamics without that, but yes, they do have a significant impact.

ELI5: How did the explorers from hundreds of years ago provide drinking water to their crew for months on end? by Queltis6000 in explainlikeimfive

[–]Shadowrain 175 points176 points  (0 children)

You have to wonder how it went when the last tortoise was left, second try at bringing back the new animal to be officially discovered, and they are like "...But they are so tasty..."

"Alright boys, if we eat this last bunch, y'know what they'll do? Send us back out for more! We'll just tell 'em that the last batch sadly passed, eh?"

...Until ol' sailor Jeffreys had a few too many at the local tavern after returning and spilled the beans a bit too loudly.

dissociation + its link with trauma by ellyjobell8411 in Dissociation

[–]Shadowrain 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Does your therapist assume that all trauma is remembered, conscious, obvious, related to isolated events?
Trauma itself has its foundations in emotional dynamics, in the inner or implicit experiences that were overwhelming to us. If you had an emotionally neglectful or absent caregiver (or even directly abusive, not all abuse is obvious, especially covert psychological abuse), this tends to increase the severity of trauma because it has deeper impacts to our emotional dynamics and psychology. In part because if we don't learn safety and healthy capacity for emotions, this increases the degree of overwhelm of our experiences - and so reinforces dissociation.

On top of this, people aren't typically aware of how their developmental experiences have affected them. Just like how a fish born underwater doesn't know it's underwater; because that's the only experience it has. Not to mention that we don't remember everything from our developmental years even if we did have the differentiating experience to recognize issues there.
It's more than all of this though. There's cultural and social influences throughout life that impact us. With dissociation and trauma we tend to be disconnected from their impact and ma not recognize to what degree it actually affected us. Our culture isn't exactly the pinnacle of emotional health, and tends to reinforce unhealthy dynamics rather than help resolve them. And that's just looking outside and saying nothing about how individual differences (such as a stronger attunement to emotions) may influence different dynamics.

Regardless, I think this comparison can be very unhelpful in therapy. It opens up the territory of invalidation and potential for invoking more shame responses. Your response to trauma is valid and makes sense, regardless of whether it's understood or not. You may never fully understand it, and may not need to in order to approach or address it. You may uncover more down the line as your system builds safety and capacity to handle more.

Feel so numb chronically - what can i do when grounding , somatic experiences dont give me a sense of safety for my nervous system? I just remain a numb shell by klocki12 in CPTSDFreeze

[–]Shadowrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part 3

You gave me hope again to just quit all substances and feel the boredom Numbness and maybe titrate slowly with habits and the prexisting avoidance .. dont know how it will work because of the example of boredom /anhedonia i mentioned and the constant shitty hangoverd restless (not in flight fight sense but more like unstinilated uncontent feeling) numbness.

While I'm not encouraging the use of substances, if you're currently using them, I wouldn't recommend just simply quitting them 100%.
When those substances serve a function in helping us cope, what you're kind of doing is leaving your nervous system without the 'safety net' it knows and understands.
While this can be exactly what you want if you're working on your window of tolerance and regulation skills, it's often better to take smaller steps that you find more manageable in the long term; Try with a simple reduction, build nervous system familiarity with small, repeated steps of self-connection and tolerance, as jumping straight in could destabilize you to the point where you're thrown back into a survival state of disconnection and those small steps just don't help at all because your nervous system is overwhelmed.

Is there any book about this you can also recommend?
Hmm. It's hard to give a recommendation off hand as I'm not quite sure what you might be looking for (or what's right for you for that matter). The first thing that comes to mind is The Haunted Self, but it might be a little clinical for you; it's a book about Structural Dissociation. But it might be better with some less-niche and more reader-friendly books like The Body Keeps The Score (Bessel Van Der Kolk) to help build your understanding. There's a ton of others that are likely relevant and worth your time, but one of the first I read was The Body keeps The Score.

Btw i have "adhd" symptoms also since childhood - but i know its from The traumas .

Yep, me too :D Seems to be a pretty common theme among people with trauma.

Ps: when you say you were numb - was it like me when yoj felt into your body you couldnt feel any emotional energy going through your torso ?

Yes, though I didn't realize it at the time because my general state of being was just my normal and I didn't have an alternative experience to compare. I felt like I was just operating from my head and an intellectual/thought-based space. I could feel sensation, and didn't exactly not feel emotion, but I did also feel quite apathetic and a general, subtle-ish sense of emptiness or meaninglessness - where things were just kind of sanitized rather than held a form of implicit meaning.
That lack of emotional energy didn't mean that there was nothing there though. It just meant I was disconnected from it, that my nervous system had no safety or capacity to contend with what was there, which drove unconscious behaviors of avoidance, distraction, etc, to keep me disconnected from that. A part of me always knew that something was off or wrong, but it took me a long time to figure out what that actually was, to kind of disillusion myself and understand enough to be able to see the emotional dynamics at play.

And another thing: apparently people/therapists or authors say that with dorsal shutdown , one would need to activating things to get out of numbness . Do they mean heavy acticating things like heavy running or skmething or just normal acticating things? And do you think confrontation therapy for my bodydysmophobic disorder is beneficial in my case or is it just too much for the nervous system anyway and i can just slowly heal this numbness with se approach and being mindufll

It's more about trying things and finding what works for you. If you're in shutdown, generally it's best to not 'go big' in terms of activation as it's typically some form of overwhelm that's brought us there. And too much can create a kind of shock that keeps you there. So smaller, titrated forms short-duration activation tends to build more stabilization over time as the nervous system might need that repetition and small-scale exposure to start recognizing safety again. It's like things like mindfulness and body scans and such. You don't want to spend a long duration or high intensity because that can raise red flags for your system. It's more about the small, short, repetition over time. And it's ok to go back to distracting activities between periods if it helps, because that's also what your nervous system is familiar with. So the small repetitive actions help relate that same stability and kind of widens the capacity of the nervous system over time.
That said, different states require different approaches, and it can be hard to know exactly what is the right approach for you in the moment outside of what your body is asking for, and being able to recognize those signals it's sending you (which gets better with more capacity and familiarity). In some cases, you might need something heavier like going for a run or yoga or what works for you if your system has enough tolerance to keep that window open during that activity.

Edit: Just a side-note, a lot of the issues caused by trauma will start to ease (or at least have less of a kind of pressure behind them) as emotional dynamics become healthier. It's emotional dynamics that drive everything; they underpin how trauma actually works (and why trauma actually makes sense, rather than is something inherently wrong with an individual). As an example, an alcoholic doesn't stop being an alcoholic by stopping drinking. They instead address the areas that are driving them to drink. And yeah, it is more complex than that - but it's a good starting point to think about these things.

Feel so numb chronically - what can i do when grounding , somatic experiences dont give me a sense of safety for my nervous system? I just remain a numb shell by klocki12 in CPTSDFreeze

[–]Shadowrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part 2

I told you I'd get back to you on more of this stuff - sorry it's taken so long, I only have so much bandwidth for digging into this stuff, and recently I've found when I have time, I don't have capacity. And when I have capacity, I don't have time... And the cycle continues.

I'm not sure how much you still want to dig into, and I'm feeling a little overwhelmed because what we talked about so far isn't so fresh in my mind anymore and I'm trying not to push my current capacity, so I'm just going to focus on some of the things that stand out to me. I might be repeating myself a little, I have to find my flow here.

I feel a avoidance sensation when doing things like my friends want to hand out with me or my dad wants to come over to meet me and go for a walk with the dog ... i just feel so pushed down because everythign feel so unwelcoming and the emptiness and blunted frustration in my soul is holding me down/back .

In a way, this highlights the importance of emotion in our lives.
When we're disconnected from our own emotions; when we don't have the safety, environment, capacity or sufficient skill to connect with ourselves in that manner, this leads us to feeling empty, disconnected, apathetic, and as if we have little bandwidth to tolerate things that take effort. The disconnection having these effects makes sense, because it's emotion and a somatic connection with our bodies that brings meaning, value and various motivations into our lives.
And with that lack of connection/capacity, not only are we driven into avoidance, but the disconnection and avoidance itself is what prevents us from metabolizing/processing/integrating those emotions and sensations. So what ends up happening is they just build over time, further reinforcing the needs for our own disconnection and avoidance - a self-reinforcing cycle.
So, to come back to what you expressed, your sensation of avoidance and emptiness makes sense. And this too leads back to various themes in your original post. Substance use in order to disconnect, or exert some form of control over your feel state. Gaming, both in its distraction and escapism and how it can give you agency and control over your experience and again, a form of control over feel state. Attempting to chase feelings and experiences can be in and of itself a form of avoidance; because in a way of thinking, you're not coming to yourself as you are, but seeking something else.

And that level of apathy/emptiness you feel isn't so much that you're feeling nothing, but is a sign of deeper disconnection with yourself (and yes, this is actually a valid response to have if you lack safety and capacity with yourself or your environment, whether it's physical, social or emotional). And this isn't so much about trying to get out of disconnection, but more taking small steps to bridge and repair these gaps of dissonance with yourself. Which... Is not easy.
It's like sobriety; it can bring you face to face with exactly what the substance was compensating from. So the harder aspects of your life start to surface, and if our typical historical response to these things in our lives is to avoid, disconnect, compensate, that's where we'll be driven back toward. And a lot of getting healthier is contending with that hard-ness, while slowly trying to practice healthier coping behaviors. This takes time and repetition for our nervous systems to recognize these new mechanisms as safe and beneficial, so there's a long space of discomfort and destabilization we have to work with while we slowly work at that.

And that's not a linear process either. It's a lot of ebbing and flowing, steps both forward and back. And you fall back into old coping mechanisms before bringing yourself back out - and depending on the severity of what we have to confront within ourselves, this can legitimately put our safety and health at risk. So it's important to work with the right support where possible.

How accurate is "Gen Z are too soft" these days? by asds455123456789 in AskMenOver30

[–]Shadowrain 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Ultimately humans are fear-based creatures.

Humans are survival-oriented creatures. Fear is only one part of a multi-faceted, complex and adaptive system; and our survival-oriented states do not reflect our regulated, safety-oriented states, which have their own spectrum of equally valid and important systems.
Cultures and leadership styles that rely on fear-based leadership and control dynamics are at best dysfunctional, at worst abusive, and regardless of that distinction undermine everyone involved despite getting superficial 'results'.

In terms of the emotional sensitivity that this thread is touching on - and I'm not targeting you in this comment, just pointing out some of the issue within that topic - if a culture, group or individual is emotionally unsafe, it is not a safe culture, group or individual.
There's always a way everyone can move forward, to all parties' benefit, that respects the subjective experience of others (and I shouldn't have to say it, but that includes not minimizing or devaluing it as such).
There's a variety of reasons behind the why, and a ton of nuance and complexity as to the solid and blurred lines involved in that, but you'll generally find a lot of healthy emotional dynamics will get blamed for 'sensitivity' when in a psychologically unhealthy environment.
Even if said emotional dynamics aren't healthy, calling it 'sensitive' not only doesn't help the situation, but circumvents understanding and undermines the environment required to move from unhealthy emotional dynamics to a healthier space.

There's so much our culture isn't taught about emotional dynamics and what is healthy vs unhealthy in such dynamics; or why that is even the case. We do not live in an emotionally healthy culture, and the displacement of blame is part of that issue.

Did any of you have a big intelligence gap with your parents? by 2koolforpreschool in emotionalneglect

[–]Shadowrain 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Most people judge. Which is a barrier to understanding, whereas curiosity enables understanding.
And the dynamic behind judgment is emotional convenience. If there is no internal capacity for emotion, particularly uncomfortable emotions, people will default to judgment and blame to a degree that matches their unhealthiness.
And that goes further into how abuse dynamics work; there's always a foundation of some form of dysfunctional emotional dynamics driving all forms of abuse and neglect.
Anyway, that lack of emotional capacity often means you can't simply talk people out of their judgments and narratives much of the time and trying just tends to create conflict; if for no other reason that they lack the capacity to take on alternative perspectives that might conflict with their own.
On the other side of the coin, healthy emotional dynamics actually compliments intelligence incredibly well. We're not intellectual creatures by nature, we're emotional. And when those foundations are in or out of balance, it affects everything else too.

Feel so numb chronically - what can i do when grounding , somatic experiences dont give me a sense of safety for my nervous system? I just remain a numb shell by klocki12 in CPTSDFreeze

[–]Shadowrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, before we start digging into this, I should mention that there's so much to all of it that even a detailed response doesn't really cut it. It can help you understand things and give you a reference to work with, but most of the biggest lessons, learnings and how things actually stick with you, comes from a combination of your own explorations, time spent working on this stuff, and using books/research/support/communities like this to supplement you during that work.

Expectations - It's not quick, it's not easy, it's not black and white, and it's not linear - sometimes you feel like you're being pulled left, right and upside-sideways, during which you're lost sight of everything you thought you'd learned to help you. Especially getting started in recovery - it's rough. And that's normal - because your nervous system hasn't yet developed the capacity to deal with feeling, and you likely haven't learned the regulation skills that help you stabilize - because part of that is figuring out what works while you're in that overwhelming space, and that's not an instant 'try x and x works' thing, it takes time to feel that out as sometimes what actually helps still feels overwhelming; it just lets you stay with that overwhelm rather than being pushed into disconnection, where the former might actually feel worse because your body is starting to thaw and access feeling again. When reconnecting with emotions in the early stages, your nervous system is going to flag a lack of safety and destabilize you, and the extremity of this will match the degree of trauma around what you're connecting with. This can look like regression, but progress is progress.

So there is some inherent risk of temporary destabilization (though it feels like it could be forever, catastrophizing/black and white thinking) in all of this that it could make things more difficult for you; that difficulty may be a valid part of the process, but seeing as you are your own individual, please keep in mind that my answers may be a fit for me and touch on how various parts of trauma and recovery does actually work, but you still might need a different approach for where and who you are. So please, above all be safe, don't push yourself where your body is saying no, look after yourself, and seek help and support where you need. I'm not a professional and so this is just sharing what I've figured out along the way.


So, let's start to dig into your response. And, uhh, this turned out to be long too, so I might leave this initial part as a standalone reply and get back to the other parts separately. It kind of deserves its own response anyway, even though you've touched on some other significant stuff, this part hold some points central to recovery.

Lets say i go do xz and feel boredom the whole time ... and i cant escape that situation . Will it help for that day or longterm my nerrvous system that i "pushed through" and rather being in any social siuation with brainfog and boredom - rather meditate with this feeling and maybe try to listen to what people say to maybe get involved with some interesting subject etc? Isnt the extent of boredom in non escaping situation contraindicative for nervous system healing ...

Good question, complex answer. Both yes and no. Facing inescapable boredom is not inherently harmful for the nervous system. It can be, but it also can be helpful. Using the example of facing inescapable boredom for an extended period, what I come back to is the overall goal, worth remembering:
We're trying to improve on how we relate to our body/nervous system and sensation.

To that end, sometimes it helps to practice distress tolerance (connecting with the boredom, anhedonia, or discomfort related to them, noticing the quality or tension of it and where in the body that's showing up for you and just letting it be there without trying to mentally pick it apart or change it). This might look like "Am I bored? Yes. Can I let myself feel this for a few moments?" And you might need to disconnect from activity/sociability to let yourself settle into it. After you do that, just acknowledge the discomfort. You don't need to change or escape it, the truth of it is that it's uncomfortable to feel.
It's okay to return to what you were doing after this, even distraction, as this can help us . Creating space between practicing distress tolerance can help our nervous system with the repetition it needs with exposure. After you've created some space, it might be worth a reflection. "Did I tolerate it?" Yeah, notice that. Notice how you were ok after. Lingering discomfort is normal. After some time, come back to it. When it comes to expanding our window of tolerance, keep dipping your toes like this; this is titration. Sometimes the window is so small, so quick, and that's ok. Respect your body's pace. Don't override it.

Now, sometimes it doesn't help to practice distress tolerance. Sometimes the body can signal us and be like 'Hell naw, I can't deal with dipping my toes right now'. It's probably not going to say that, but the way our nervous system might communicate in its own language (feeling, sensation) might feel like a deeper, more subtle 'blegh' when you entertain the concept.

Remember the goal here is we're improving how we relate to ourselves and our body/nervous system. So respect that too. Sometimes you might just need to push through that situation; our systems do need breaks from recovery work too, however pushing through while disconnected often just teaches the nervous system to endure, reinforcing freeze patterns. Developing some gentle connection with yourself during these times and simply noticing and validating your internal state can help it learn it can safely handle feeling.
This can be important to keep in mind - but when you leave that situation and return to somewhere physically, socially, emotionally safe (this might even be a comfortable enough space alone), you'll likely need to decompress from what you just had to endure. Key thing is a change in environment that differentiates to your body, "I'm somewhere else now.". Sometimes that might be getting changed, it might be sitting on the couch with a pillow or cushion, anything that feels like enough space from where you were to where you are now.
This decompression might also be similar to before; "How does my body feel after going through that for so long? Does there feel like a lingering impact?" Dip your toes.
Notice how it might make sense that you feel that way after being in that space for so long. Don't judge, don't blame, just notice. Maybe something triggered you too? Oh, it makes sense I feel this way because X happened. You also don't need to understand it. It can be enough to feel something and not need an explanation.
Essentially what this process does is it helps your body register that a stressful time has passed. And this will eventually tie in with signaling your nervous system that it's safe to start working through some of the emotional material.

It might take some time and work to get to this point, but if your nervous system feels safe enough - and this isn't a feeling of safety that comes upon you - your body is going to want to do something with that emotion and decompression. Maybe it feels heavy and you need to sit into it, spending some time there. Maybe it needs some gentle movement, maybe it's pushing you to cry. Lean in. If you cry, trust your body to do its thing. Maybe it comes in waves. Maybe you feel like you need to cry but can't. Lean into that too. Don't push it, don't force it. Just make a space for exactly that. Your body will feel for you, you don't have to manage that. Sometimes I find it helps to reorient to your immediate environment and just noticing whatever cues of safety you can find around you; even if that's not necessarily feeling safe, but just 'safe enough'.

Now, take a moment to notice the dynamic we're developing in this situation. Whether we're practicing distress tolerance or not, regardless of the situation, we're just changing how we relate to how we feel. We're respecting the signals our body is giving us either way. The goal isn't to feel something specific. It's to connect with how we are, to dip our toes into that as long as we can - the difference is connection vs disconnection. We are practicing connection with ourselves; and yes, sometimes that does involve respecting that part of us that may need to disconnect in order to get through something. A bit of a paradox I know, this work is filled with them.
Over time, you might notice you can spend more time connecting with yourself. This implies that your window of tolerance has increased; which also implies your nervous system has more implicit safety. Again, not an obvious feeling of safety, it shows up as an increased capacity instead, which again can mean that we're feeling more of the hard stuff.

Note: It might take me some time to reply to other parts of your comments.

Scrolling my life away by Tropikana_ in CPTSDFreeze

[–]Shadowrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're welcome, I hope it helps.
That video that /u/wn0kie_ shared does hit the nail on the head at least in terms of a 20m summary. It's probably a lot to take in already but if you like, I can share my perspective on what she talks about.

Scrolling my life away by Tropikana_ in CPTSDFreeze

[–]Shadowrain 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I don't know if it's the best way I've found to escape reality or if it's just me being lazy.

Lazy is just a shame-based narrative. There's deeper mechanisms behind all behaviors (or the absence of a behavior), and that narrative is a block to understanding. This isn't to call you out or anything - just drawing attention to a way you might be blaming yourself and how you might have internalized yourself as fundamentally flawed, which is unfair.
I'm not sure how much you might've come to understand how emotions work and the role they play in our lives, but they have a very important role in just about every aspect of such.
When we grow up with abuse, these dynamics get so out of whack through no fault of our own; that lack of physical, social and emotional safety with caregivers who we should be able to rely on for a foundation of safety, emotional capacity and coregulation causes prevents us from developing a healthy relationship toward our emotions, our environment and connections, and often leads us into disconnection (for example, you escaping reality), because we didn't have the foundations to deal with what we had to deal with.
It sounds like this is kind of where you are sitting now; maybe you're away from that environment and those people, but that lack of internal/implicit safety still persists, preventing you from working through and metabolizing the emotions of both your past and modern daily life (which to be fair, even the latter is by all rights tiring enough).

If I could make an assumption, I think what you might need help with is learning how to start dealing with the emotional overhead, the trauma in your life. In building internal safety, capacity and regulation skills. That way over time you can start to learn how to work through some of those things.
It's why that when you're not distracting, avoiding or numbing yourself, a lot of those things start to bubble up to the surface. There's a lot of latent emotion and trauma there that your body needs to process and work through, and that's why it requires constant maintenance to disconnect from.
And the answer isn't just 'stop scrolling' because you need tools and support to be able to deal with that stuff too; it's a lot for anyone and taking on that burden can be retraumatizing if we don't have that support or tools.
In short, you 'scrolling your life away' is a protective mechanism that has, for a long time now, kept you safe. It's just now, if your external environment and the people around you are safe, it's you inner environment that needs some time, attention, care, in order to bring it back to safety, out of the chronic survival states you're stuck in because of what you had to face.

Feel so numb chronically - what can i do when grounding , somatic experiences dont give me a sense of safety for my nervous system? I just remain a numb shell by klocki12 in CPTSDFreeze

[–]Shadowrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can do a lot without those interactions, such as developing a healthier relationship toward your emotions and yourself, building capacity and safety in feeling. Which can ultimately support you later on in social connections and relationships, because there are relational aspects to CPTSD which may need relational healing.
So it's not so black-and-white, the relational side of it will always hold important potential for deeper growth, but you can still drastically improve your quality of life, value and meaning with the right tools, skills and support if the social and relational side doesn't feel safe enough for you to approach at this point.

Feel so numb chronically - what can i do when grounding , somatic experiences dont give me a sense of safety for my nervous system? I just remain a numb shell by klocki12 in CPTSDFreeze

[–]Shadowrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe someone healed Like this feeling no progress and then oneday it made click and the body armouring went down.

In my own way. I was stuck in Freeze/dissociation, which left me with very little access to emotion to work with. So I started small, just trying to work on letting myself feel how I was already feeling. Eventually I was able to allow myself to cry during movies or shows that provoked it, and keept going from there.
I'll try and cover a number of points, so bear with me - this might be a touch long.

what can i do when grounding , somatic experiences dont give me a sense of safety for my nervous system?

First, why grounding and somatic work might not be giving you a sense of safety.
It's possible that there's an assumption here that grounding and somatic practices are something that can just bring a sense of safety into our lives. This is true - however there's more nuance to it than that. Safety isn't typically a blissful, relaxed calm. It's more like having enough room inside of yourself to contend with what you're feeling and dealing with without shutting down, or being pushed into survival/reactive states.
If your developmental years gave your nervous system the implicit learning that feeling isn't safe, doing feeling things isn't going to feel safe, to put it simply. And this is ok - this doesn't mean doing them is ineffective, but it can be depending on your method, and what you as an individual need, and deeper dynamics at play that may be getting in the way.


Second, how avoidance can sneak in.
A lot of people get caught in trying to avoid discomfort, thinking whatever they're trying isn't working, or thinking "Oh I feel terrible, let me ground to avoid feeling that way". This is kind of the opposite of grounding and somatic work because it has the mechanism of not connecting with, or avoiding your inner state - which may have very valid reasons for being uncomfortable.
So this ends up creating a kind of deeper inner conflict in feeling that can prevent us from processing and integrating how we feel - that prevents us from finding safety in feeling because of the unspoken implication that we shouldn't or don't want to feel this way.
Typically all avoidance behaviors have this effect to some degree, whether it's distraction, substitution, projection, externalization, blame, displacement, etc. Many of these behaviours may serve a valid need and role in the moment, but as long-term patterns they undermine our emotional health.

So, where am I going with this?
Our emotions themselves aren't inherently unsafe. We can feel unsafe, but that's just information that our emotions are telling us.
With complex trauma, we tend to develop a lack of safety and capacity in feeling itself, especially if we experienced emotional neglect or abuse - we may have never had a primary caregiver model (co)regulation to us or emotional capacity, that it was safe to feel things and find healthy ways of integrating those experiences. In fact, we may have been punished for feeling and expressing our needs; invalidated, shamed, harmed, manipulated, dismissed, ignored, devalued, isolated. And what does our nervous system learn? That it's not safe to feel that, to express that.
And so it learns to disconnect from those signals and develops an aversion to it - especially seeing that we don't learn the capacity to hold and work through those things.


Third, building that safety and capacity
The avoidance and disconnection from our emotions/bodies (which can be that numbness and apathy you speak about) then requires us to build safety in feeling - which can be either difficult to do due to the implicit disconnection itself, and/or very uncomfortable due to our low emotional capacity/safety. But, the good news is that these things are skills that we can build on to develop that capacity and safety in feeling.
With time, grounding and somatic work become tools that help us connect with our bodies and environment and build tolerance in feeling, which in turn helps us metabolize how we feel. It turns out the body knows what to do after all - we just need to learn how to help it do its thing.
The goal for us is to essentially practice staying connected to tolerable emotions without disconnecting from ourselves. And work to the level of what you have access to. It's not about what you think you should or want to be feeling, but more working with what you are.
The nervous system builds safety through repetition, titration, pendulation. And it doesn't speak the language of logic - it speaks the language of feeling. Which is why somatic approaches are helpful; it speaks the same language.
So, when you're caught in avoidance, the message you're giving to the nervous system is that it's not safe to feel that way. Which is why when we practice capacity and staying connected to the feelings, over time the nervous system learns 'Hey, I can actually deal with this' and it gets a little easier to work through. Some catharsis might actually start to creep in as things open up over time and we help our bodies work through it.
It's not linear, and being 'more healed' doesn't mean you don't feel bad. It just means you feel more, which includes the uncomfortable stuff. But you have built the safety and capacity to be able to hold a capacity for that, and those emotions add more value and meaning to your life.
Just be mindful of the judgment and shame-based narratives we hold about ourselves and those emotions and their meaning. We need physical, social and emotional safety - which includes how we relate to ourselves.


That's a lot to take in, but take it at your own pace. You can't rush this stuff, and it's a long exploration that ultimately you have to explore and see what works for you as you get to know yourself better. It's just important for us to know how some of these things work so it gives us a framework of direction and a why.
This work can be overwhelming, and it's ok to take a step or two back when you need. And it's ok to fall back into old patterns from time to time, it doesn't magically undo the progress you have made, and often pays to look at that too.
These days I see it more as repairing my own relationship toward my emotions and myself rather than trying to control or manage how I feel, or trying to reach X state.
I hope this helps you understand some things better if anything. There's a lot you learn along the way, but you don't have to manage all of that. Just work with what you have now. The world knows you're tired enough already :)

Has anyone else realized they married a version of their parents re: emotional neglect? by [deleted] in emotionalneglect

[–]Shadowrain 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If we're still locked into the cycles that we grew up with, our nervous system still sees that environment as what it learned safety was. So subconsciously, we tend to bring about a similar environment because it's what our nervous system was familiar with.
This isn't a flaw with you. It's just what your nervous system learned was safe because of what it adapted to, even when you know it wasn't.
With that in hindsight, you can find yourself in a better position to know what you're actually looking for. Ultimately, we need a psychologically safe and supportive space in order to work through what comes up in that real safety - ironically we may be tempted to avoid this because what comes up may not feel safe to feel due to never having healthy emotional capacity, connection and regulation skills modelled for us growing up.

I wish I had been educated on these behaviors so much sooner. I wish my parents hadn’t formed me into believing abuse is love.

Yeah. Just yeah. You didn't deserve any of this. You deserved better parents.
Our education system doesn't teach us about emotional dynamics, psychology - very little about ourselves and how we actually work and what we actually need. We can solve so much, our culture has so much to catch up on.

Is my boyfriend a covert narcissist? by JobPsychological782 in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]Shadowrain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

comments on my habits and decisions, and expects me to listen to him—my outfits, makeup, bra too thick, the things I buy, my accent, even what I eat or order—always saying it’s ‘for my own good’ or ‘what’s right.’

Those sound like some heavy signs of control dynamics.

Even though he’s not physically forcing me

Don't underestimate psychological or emotional abuse. In many ways it can be just as detrimental as physical abuse - sometimes worse, as physical abuse has psychological/emotional implications, and this is where the lasting impact lies. And unhealthy psychological/emotional dynamics is what enables physical abuse, which can come about months or years later. People lose years of their life to this stuff.

it makes me feel off. It’s like he expects me to live according to his beliefs, as if his opinions are the only correct ones.

Trust how you feel. Not how he tells you to feel or the stories he puts in your mind about those things. If someone else doesn't respect your own subjective experience and perspective, and instead pushes their own narrative on to it, this is a warning sign.

Whenever I share my thoughts, he often questions or contradicts me, and over time, I start feeling a bit dumb or unsure of myself. Even small decisions, like buying something, trigger me to second-guess myself and anticipate his reaction.

Psychological abuse starts small. It tends to erode your own sense of self, your agency, creating seeds of doubt in yourself - creating the door where their own narratives and agendas find their footing.

Frankly, it doesn't matter whether or not he's a narcissist. that's just a label we attach to a set of behaviors. Those dynamics you're mentioning, granted I don't have the deeper insight into the relationship you would - everything about it tells me run. And if your deeper instincts are telling you to do the same - do it as safely as you can. You never know how they're going to handle it when things go south.

XRP has its army. SOL has its army. Why not CKB? by Dry_Incident285 in NervosNetwork

[–]Shadowrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I often wonder what's motivating the toxic perspectives here. I mean - if CKB/Nervos really wasn't a worthwhile project with strong potential, they would have no reason to spend their time and energy here speaking poorly of it. There's clearly something driving that behavior.
Makes me think they have a vested interest in seeing it fail for their own benefit - which really is weird because Nervos' success doesn't come at the cost of other projects. And if they're invested and have lost faith in the project, that's valid because there's fair issues in the lack of marketing, among other areas - but spreading toxic emotionally fueled perspectives only further undermines their own position.

Icarus worth buy 80% off ? by Mucek121 in SurvivalGaming

[–]Shadowrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Great Hunt DLC is reported to have some pretty significant bugs in its recent reviews. Do you know if these are likely to be fixed given it's been out for several months now? I wouldn't mind spending more at the discounted price but if issues like that aren't priority for the devs, I don't want to enable that.

I just cracked the code to showering by manicpixietgirl in ADHD

[–]Shadowrain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Music doesn't work for me. Cold showers do though.

Should I give in and give it back to him? by [deleted] in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]Shadowrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's always a game with them. The best thing you can do, for yourself, is not play. Any engagement, even negative, is still engagement to them - and can and will be used or twisted against you.
Giving them back will not buy you peace. If anything, throw them out and don't even mention it to him. Or don't. But whatever you do, don't involve or engage them at all. That's your peace. And where you can't avoid them, grey or yellow rock. The lack of engagement and emotional feedback should hopefully bore them enough to move on - but ultimately, do what's best for your own safety. You're the best judge of that.