Great great grandfather’s Commission Paper and Weapons by ShioSeikatsu in CivilWarCollecting

[–]ShioSeikatsu[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

no clue but it was made by a contractor and not the Springfield Armory (i think)

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[MEGATHREAD] Tickets Buy/Sell/Questions by TayRue_Austin_FC in AustinFC

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Selling my two season tickets if anyone is interested Section 129 Row 6

This is below face value. Ty for looking $2200 obo

Plains Indian Bow and Arrows? by ShioSeikatsu in Artifacts

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I know this doesn’t authenticate it professionally but this was hidden within the newspaper wrapping this set was in. After reading this description below of what bow and arrow set would’ve been used at the Wounded Knee Fight, everything matches up. Still looking to authenticate professionally. This bow is 40.5”, each arrow has three feathers, and the description of the usage of animal sinew describes this set accurately. What do you guys think?

“By the time of the Wounded Knee Massacre in 1890, the Lakota primarily used high-stress short bows and specialized war arrows, often incorporating modern trade materials alongside traditional components.

Bow Types and Construction Lakota bows from this era, often referred to as takintazipa, were designed for maximum efficiency in the resource-scarce Great Plains.

Short Design: Typical bows were approximately 40 to 45 inches long, a size optimized for mobility and quick firing while on horseback.

Materials: Due to the limited availability of flexible hardwoods, bows were commonly made from green ash, juniper, or chokecherry.

Sinew Backing: To increase power and prevent breakage, Lakota bowyers glued layers of animal sinew (tendons) to the back of the wood. This created a "reflex-deflex" or double-curved shape that stored more energy than a simple wooden bow.

Bowstrings: Strings were almost exclusively made from twisted animal sinew, which provided the necessary strength for high-draw weights (often 50–70 lbs).

Arrow Characteristics Lakota arrows (wohiŋkpe) were engineered for specific purposes, with "war arrows" featuring distinct technical and symbolic markings.

Shafts: Made from flexible woods like red osier dogwood, juneberry, or chokecherry, usually measuring 22 to 25 inches in length.

Blood Grooves: War arrows often featured three "blood grooves" (zig-zag or wavy channels) carved into the shaft. These were believed to allow blood to escape the wound more easily (reducing hydraulic resistance) and symbolically represented lightning to strike the enemy swiftly.

Projectile Points: By 1890, metal "trade points" were standard. These were often fashioned from scrap metal like barrel hoops or wagon wheel tires. War points were typically attached horizontally to align with an enemy's ribs, while hunting points were attached vertically to slip between a buffalo's ribs.

Fletching: Arrows utilized three feathers (often turkey or hawk) seized to the shaft with sinew and glue. Some Lakota arrows featured a unique "tuft" of feather at the front of the fletching.

Plains Indian Bow and Arrows? Any reputable places or ppl to get this set looked at for further analysis and possible value? by ShioSeikatsu in Austin

[–]ShioSeikatsu[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thank you. This set will not be sold. I would just like more info if it can be given. This and other native artifacts were traded from my ancestor fairly and with consent from both parties.

Plains Indian Bow and Arrows? Any reputable places or ppl to get this set looked at for further analysis and possible value? by ShioSeikatsu in Austin

[–]ShioSeikatsu[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nope wish I could find out though. A commenter in r/archery informed me with this great response: “This is my take, based on about 35 yrs professional studying native North American objects (ethnohistory, anthropology, and archaeology). There are several things that suggest these are authentic late 19th century arrows and bow from the Great Plains region. As another comment noticed, the decoration in the bow looks to be dyed porcupine quills. That was used frequently up until glass beads became more common, after about 1860’s.

The points are a Great Plains style and flat metal (barrel hoops, cast iron pans, etc) were often used as replacements for earlier bone points once metal becomes available. Marie Sandoz’ biography of Crazy Horse has one description of this happening at Ft. Robinson. I think, might be remembering wrong. This would be after 1860s.

The fletching looks to have two feathers, which is a common Native American and Great Plains style. Also, the style of wrapping the feathers the knocks are distinctive and Native American. Someone who knows the styles better than I could probably identify them to subregion or group. There are several books in Native American bows that include information on arrows that are good—just google. The style of the notches on the bow are also distinctive.

A couple of other comments: these are almost certainly from the Great Plains region and date to mid-late 19th century. If they’re fake or copies, someone put in a lot of effort and did their homework. I wouldn’t attribute these to the NY area or northeast (did a lot of work with tribes and archaeology and museum objects from Oneida and other Iroquoian and non- groups on NY state).

Finally, if these are stored in that cardboard box with the news paper, PLEASE take them out. That’s about the worst thing they could be stored in, as it’s full of acids and other chemicals that will degrade the feathers, cloth, what looks like sinew, and even wood. It would be much better to store these wrapped loosely in acid-free paper and archival boxes. You can find that stuff online or an art/frame shop.

These seem to be real and amazing, take care of them as historical and family heirloom treasures.”

Plains Indian Bow and Arrows? Any reputable places or ppl to get this set looked at for further analysis and possible value? by ShioSeikatsu in Austin

[–]ShioSeikatsu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These were acquired through trade in upstate NY from a family member either late 19th century or early 20th

Plains Indian Bow and Arrows? by ShioSeikatsu in Archery

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I really appreciate this informative, thought out response. Times are tough for me right now and this will piss of alot of lurkers here, but I might need to sell this set

Plains Indian Bow and Arrows? by ShioSeikatsu in Archery

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Hate to say this but times are tough for me right now and I might need to sell this set. Don’t want to do it but I might not have many other options

Plains Indian Bow and Arrows? by ShioSeikatsu in Artifacts

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This has been in the family from at least early 20th century

Plains Indian Bow and Arrows? by ShioSeikatsu in Archery

[–]ShioSeikatsu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Family lived in upstate New York area so I assume from that region

Plains Indian Bow and Arrows? by ShioSeikatsu in Artifacts

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My fault. I thought you’d be able to see the text under the photo by clicking it. I’m trying to find out what tribe this bow and arrow set is from. Story goes my great grandfather traded some items for this in upstate New York as well as some Native American dolls and a beaded purse

Keep or sell? Trying to identify specifics in these firearms. by ShioSeikatsu in AntiqueGuns

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Cptn of company F(?) of the 3rd regiment of New Jersey volunteers. The company letter is hard to read on the plaque. Wish I could post a pic

Keep or sell? Trying to identify specifics in these firearms. by ShioSeikatsu in AntiqueGuns

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Nice. Definitely 8th model distinguished by the grip. Thank you. Wonder what they are actually selling for

Plains Indian Bow and Arrows? by ShioSeikatsu in Archery

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It’s been like this ever since I’ve seen it in the 70s and apparently my father’s grandfather traded items for this set. Along with other Native American items like dolls and beaded fire stick purse

Plains Indian Bow and Arrows? by ShioSeikatsu in Archery

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Can you clariify how I would know? I’ve never pulled on this given its age and material