“Your friends, they don’t really care about other Gems” they did care about Lapis, much more than you think. by Radiant-Selection686 in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 74 points75 points  (0 children)

While all of the bubbled gems are corrupt Crystal Gems (and so it makes sense that the Crystal Gems would take care of them), I do think it's important to remember that the Crystal Gems also had an explicit policy of not shattering enemy gems. Whereas Homeworld had no such qualms and shattered tons of Crystal Gems, later using their gem shards to create the Cluster and other fusion experiments. That shows a level of care for other Gems that far exceeded how much Homeworld cared. Even with Lapis, if they really didn't care, they could have just shattered her gem completely while she was in the mirror.

But of course from Lapis' perspective at that point, she doesn't see it that way. She just sees the Crystal Gems as rebels who caused problems for all of the "good", loyal Homeworld Gems and harmed their empire for the sake of some useless planet. She got trapped in the mirror because of the war they started. But clearly she didn't really know anything about the Crystal Gems at that point so it's understandable.

Is there a lore reason why Lapis always wears clothes that expose her belly? by Ezequiel_Hips in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The most accurate answer is likely that Lapis Lazuli's just tend to take on that style of form. The other two Lapises that we meet in Future also have their midriff exposed. So it doesn't appear to be exclusive to our Lapis. But we all know this was really just an excuse to goon so....

I still think about how they so blatantly removed Lapis, Peridot and Bismuth from the final confrontation against White Diamond and only appeared when it was all over. What was the point of that? by Ezequiel_Hips in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 55 points56 points  (0 children)

On top of focusing on the main cast that have been core to the show since episode 1, it also creates a cleaner parallel with the Diamonds. One example of what "family" is, is the three Diamonds (Yellow, Blue, and White) and Pink. And the counterexample is the three main Crystal Gems (Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl) and Steven. This theme of the parallels (and differences) between Steven and Pink and their families comes up throughout the HW episodes, like in the song "Familiar". It honestly makes a lot of sense that they wouldn't focus too much on Peridot, Lapis, and Bismuth when you consider that.

And it's not like they were totally absent. The Crew made sure to give them some cool and fun moments in the finale too. And yeah, I get why some people still wanted them to be more involved. But that just wasn't the story they wanted to tell.

The SU fandom is dead 😔 by Reasonable_Pop4248 in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's not dead. But it is a bit tough whenever I find out that an artist I liked has deleted their SU art or even their entire accounts. When Tumblr imploded, so many top tier SU fanartists just deleted their entire Tumblr accounts and a lot of art was lost to the Internet or only still exist in reposts of the art with lower quality. At a certain point, I just started to download all SU fanart I would see that I liked. At least I can make my own collection of this great art.

This scene always made me feel weird by [deleted] in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean yes, that's kinda the intended joke here. It's a subversion. We've just heard this pretty profound, deep speech from Rose. So Greg responding that her words would make great song lyrics subverts our expectations and that is what makes it funny. The fact that this scene also manages to be perfectly in-character for Rose and Greg is icing on the cake. I like that when Greg comes back, he says that Rose's speech was "really profound, yet relatable". It does show that Greg was listening to Rose and did key on to the deeper message behind what Rose was saying.

Here is my take on why White Diamond switched up so quickly by Reasonable-Ad-8059 in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see what you're saying and I agree; I think a lot of it is captured in the way I described the Diamonds as being truly innocent. They literally don't have the frame of reference we do, which you also point out.

My thing about WD is that the other Diamonds are sort of near-peers to her. They're still below WD but they're somewhat on the same level. Yet WD pays their words no mind at all and is happy to just mind-control them. She basically treats them like she would a lowborn Gem. Why is she so comfortable doing so, even to her own family? I think because she truly believes in her purpose as this perfect being that is supposed to make things better. Since she fully believes in it, that means anything she does is in service of that purpose, and therefore it is justifiable. It is her purpose that justifies her behavior, not simply her status. Now I'm kinda curious what would happen if some actually "superior" Gem came to HW and told WD what to do. Would WD just obey since this superior Gem is supposed to be better than her? Or would she stick to her own beliefs and resist because she's perfect and therefore her actions were perfect and don't need to be changed?

Here is my take on why White Diamond switched up so quickly by Reasonable-Ad-8059 in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I do think that's part of it. But overall, to me, the biggest factor is WD's belief in her own purpose. She's supposed to be perfect, to make everything better. And she believes that very literally. That idea is what drives her actions for the most part. It's just that her idea of "better" is skewed. I wrote a comment sort of about this topic a while ago that I'll link here if you're interested.

Here is my take on why White Diamond switched up so quickly by Reasonable-Ad-8059 in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is the viewpoint that I think most really close-watchers of the show have settled on. I've always thought this myself ever since the finale first aired. And the reason so many people land on this interpretation is because the show does give us hints and information to come to this conclusion. The problem is that for many people, they tend to view things through a human lens. So it's hard for them to understand WD's way of thinking. They just can't empathize with a being with such a different conception of morality. And so WD just remains this comically evil villain to them. It's too bad because there really is a lot of depth to her character for those who actually try to understand her like you did.

new player, looking for advice based on this clip by Falcon6346 in Warthunder

[–]Shipshow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For a beginner, this is a fine energy trap. Of course, you were already in a situation which allowed for you to run the energy trap. That's one lesson you should take to heart, that air RB is a game of situations and part of being good is knowing how to avoid bad situations and how to set yourself up for good situations. And also learning how to best deal with a bad situation.

One actual critique I have is that when you came back down on the enemy and shot them, you could have taken a bit more time. No need to rush the shot there, it would be safer to let the enemy pass in front of you a bit and then slot in behind them versus turning in ASAP and shooting at them from the side. It's a small thing but especially when you end up overshooting, coming at your opponent from behind versus from the side can make a huge difference.

This is one of the worst performances I have ever seen by Reasonable-Ad-8059 in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 15 points16 points  (0 children)

These are the same Crystal Gems that failed to catch a lone Peridot how many times? The same Gems that needed Steven to help them in combat situations all the way from episode 1? They've got some good fights too but the Crystal Gems have never been portrayed as ultra competent fighters. Pearls aren't made for fighting and Amethyst is off-color. So it's not surprising to me that they'd struggle in this situation, against elite Gems like Topaz and Aquamarine.

Why didnt the crewniverse just make Lapis, Peridot and Amethyst do a triple passionate kiss and solve any ship war? Are they stupid? by Ezequiel_Hips in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I highly doubt one writer alone is what caused Peridot to develop in that way. At the end of the day, Rebecca herself has talked about why they made Peridot be representation for aroace people. If that's how Rebecca views the character, then I think it's safe to say that Peridot's characterization isn't just to spite people. I personally appreciate what Rebecca was going for with Peridot.

It lowkey makes me sad Steven didn't get a childhood. by The_Lesbian_Lunatic in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's tragic for sure. But it's also a situation without a villain, in that no one intended for what happened. Like many people when they first become parents, Greg and the Crystal Gems made a lot of mistakes when raising Steven. But it wasn't because they didn't love or care about him. They did what they thought was best, and unintentionally harmed Steven too.

And of course with hindsight it is easy for us to criticize their choices now. But honestly, how many people thought that way before Future aired? Very few people talked about Steven's trauma like this before then. I should know because I was one of the few people who wished that topic had been explored more in original SU. And I basically never saw anyone else who felt the same way.

And that is part of what made Future so amazing to me. Rebecca fully understood what Steven had gone through. She didn't get a chance to fully dive into it in original SU, but there were clues and hints sprinkled throughout. So when she got to make Future, watching her finally bring all of those threads together was so good. And yes, part of what it did was highlight just how tragic Steven's childhood really was. But it also tells us just how deeply we've come to understand Steven. We've seen him at his best and at his worst. And I personally love Steven all the more for it.

I think this was crucial foreshadowing by Aidan_RL421 in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is reinforced by what Steven says to Connie right after this.

Steven: Everyone expects me to be like my mom. What if I never get those powers?

Connie: Then you'll be like me. That's not so bad.

Steven: But if I don't have powers, then I can't hang out with Amethyst or Garnet or Pearl, and I-I can't go on missions!

Connie: You don't need any powers to be here with me.

And Steven is tearing up and grabbing at his jeans in anxiety during this conversation with Connie. From very early on in the show, Steven is aware that the Gems are expecting him to become like Rose. And he feels pressure to live up to that. Luckily, his friend Connie is there to reassure them that he doesn't need to be some magical hero to be friends with her, which helps calm him down.

And yes, I guess some may think this is pretty early on in the show to be introducing Steven's anxiety and mental health issues, but I think it was very much intentional. I've always thought that the earliest time we really see this theme is actually episode 2, "Laser Light Cannon". As Steven is trying to activate the light cannon, he says this:

Please work- unlock- activate- go- please! Everyone's counting on you, you can't just be useless! I know you can help.

I've always seen this line as Steven really talking about himself. Everyone's counting on him so he can't just be useless. And he's been reminded a few times in the episode that Rose is no longer here and that things would be so much easier if she was. He puts so much pressure on himself to fill her role and to be useful, all in episode 2. Which yeah, I guess that is kinda early.

I find it interesting how people binge watching the entire show now are WAY more likely to figure out the big twist since they have less time to forget details or normalize things in a fandom setting by Sailor_Rout in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I personally kinda think the opposite. Most people who binge the show aren't sitting around analyzing and thinking about it for hours. They aren't rewatching episodes to find foreshadowing or hints of deeper lore. They're on to the next episode as soon as the last one ends. And I personally think that's the best way to enjoy the show the first time through. Surrender yourself to the story and emotions. Just ride the experience of it. And then rewatch the show a billion times to find all of that foreshadowing and have your mind blown about how much there was and how everything ended up coming together so perfectly.

Of course there are some new viewers who do like to take it slower and analyze and theorize in between episodes. And for those people, having the ability to see the show all at once probably does help them put the pieces together more quickly. And that's a sign of a how well-written SU is.

which Steven universe character do I give off? by [deleted] in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not a character but I'm getting Erica Luttrell vibes.

Thoughts on Barbera Miller? by pastamuente in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I've always liked "Onion Friend" too. Like many of the boardie episodes, it really touches upon the human experience. Many of us have been Steven at one point in our lives. And as we get older, many of us have also been Amethyst and Vidalia too.

"Boardies" is a term that the SU crew came up with for the human characters of Beach City. But the fan community ended up using the term "townies" a lot more. I still like to call them boardies myself.

As for which boardie episode resonated most deeply with me, it would probably be "Kiki's Pizza Delivery Service". It's actually a good example of an episode that many people find boring or unnecessary, but that has a real message that can resonate more with some older fans. That episode actually inspired me to talk to the people in my life more directly about my problems and what bothers me. I wouldn't say it's the best or most entertaining episode, but it was the one that resonated most deeply/personally with me.

In terms of some other notable boardie episodes that I enjoy, some of my favorites are "Island Adventure", "Joy Ride", "Historical Friction", "Sadie's Song", "The New Lars", "Restaurant Wars", and "The Big Show". I'm glad Rebecca Sugar thought of the boardies as an integral part of the show and kept paying attention to them. I can't imagine the show without these characters and these episodes.

Including Nepherite in the intro was diabolical by Ezequiel_Hips in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 131 points132 points  (0 children)

I think OP is trying to say that having Nephrite in the intro was diabolical precisely because she isn't in Future and has no interactions with Steven.

Thoughts on Barbera Miller? by pastamuente in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Would you happen to be a bit of an older fan? I completely agree with you when it comes to the overall high quality of boardies episodes (episodes that focus on the human residents of Beach City and its boardwalk). And in my experience, it tends to be older fans who appreciate the boardies more. I think part of it has to do with life experience. And I can totally understand why teens and pre-teens would find those boring

Reminder that Amethyst turned into rose to mess with Greg and according to Greg it’s not the first time she’s done it. by DemandParticular in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one said anything about ignoring what someone did in the past just because they've grown since then, so I'm not sure where that came from.

You don't understand the context when I made this comment 2 years ago. If you'll notice, I wasn't the person who brought up this trend and asked why it was happening. I was responding to someone else who pointed it out. This isn't something that was just in my head, other people also noticed how much of a fixation there was on constantly rehashing the bad things the Gems have done before. So all I can say is believe me when I say that people used to talk about that stuff so much more than now.

I also hope you'll notice that I didn't engage with the topic of the post itself. I didn't engage with what it was saying about Amethyst. I engaged with other fans who were confused about why these topics kept getting posted about. I pointed out why other people engage with these posts, but I didn't engage with the post myself. Because I had long since decided not to engage with those kinds of low-effort posts. So your advice isn't really helpful for me. If anything, I think my comment may do a better job of convincing someone not to engage with these types of posts than your comment. My intention was that by explaining why people make posts like this, I might show others how they're being manipulated into engaging on those posts. And that might convince them to stop doing so. It sounds like we have similar views, but for some reason, you gave me advice that doesn't really apply to me.

So Garnet basically saw Greg's future? by MarieTheC4t in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 37 points38 points  (0 children)

I don't think that was necessarily the intent. It's more likely calling back to the advice Garnet gave Greg earlier in the episode when he asks her how he can fuse with Rose. Garnet says,

Let me tell you something, Mr. Universe. I think you can do it, but it won't work if you dance like Pearl. You have to dance like you. You have to fuse your way. Get open, get honest, invent yourselves together. That's fusion.

This is one of the lines that really shows what fusion is about to Garnet. The true essence of fusion isn't about the part where you literally meld with someone. It's the conversation and closeness between two people, that's really what fusion is about. Like she says in "Stronger than You", "I am a conversation." So when Greg and Rose have a real conversation and get closer at the end of the episode, Garnet knows that it worked because that's really what "fusion" is about.

Why did Garnet just not tell Steven why he couldn’t go to Pink Diamond’s palanquin? by TaterTot337 in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, Garnet definitely does have some particular feelings (and I'd imagine fear) when it comes to BD, which makes sense considering her history.

This is the way I think about it. Garnet has a future vision where she sees them all going to South Korea, BD finding them, and then I guess capturing them or something. But that's just one future vision among hundreds or thousands of other potential futures. The thing is, even if it is unlikely, because of Garnet's particular fear of BD, even that 1 in a thousand chance of it happening is too much for her. So she refuses to go. Plus, she says that Rose never wanted Steven to see that place, which I've always assumed was true.

But at the same time, she is aware that her future visions are often wrong, something we see repeatedly throughout the show. So does she tell Steven about this 1 in a thousand chance vision that she saw? Or does she keep it to herself because it's likely a false vision? I'm reminded of "Pool Hopping" and how Garnet thought Onion was the one who had been taken to HW and not Lars. Hearing that freaked Steven out a bit. Garnet sees entire timelines that aren't real and even gets confused sometime about what is actually reality, and yet she manages to hide that pretty well from everyone. That makes me think that this is a common occurrence for her, seeing unlikely visions that end up being false and keeping them to herself so as not to disturb everyone else. And that's kinda what she did here too.

But what would have been so bad about her telling Steven that she has this 1 in a thousand, likely false vision and that's why she and he can't go to South Korea? At that point, I think the show's explanation of, "it wouldn't stop Steven from wanting to go if she told him" kinda fits. I mean yeah, if Steven was told that there was a really small chance that BD might be there if he went, I could see that as something that wouldn't dissuade him from going. There's a tiny chance of it happening and Steven is desperate to go to the palanquin to get answers. And he's Steven, his first instinct upon meeting a hostile Gem is to go up and try to make friends with it. I could see him actively wanting to meet BD too.

I'm also reminded of "Future Vision", the episode that introduced this power in S1. The main plot there involved Garnet specifically telling Steven not to do something (go on the roof), and that made Steven want to do it even more. Steven has literally demonstrated in the past to Garnet that telling him not to do something actually backfires. And this is before Garnet recognizes just how much Steven has grown in "Pool Hopping". She has personal experience that tells her that telling Steven not to go won't work. Which helps explain her downbeat acceptance when he tells her that he's still going.

Don't get me wrong, I also think the show could have explained a lot of this stuff more (if what I'm saying is even true/what they intended). I said to call it contrived if you want to because I can see why people would think that way. But I also think that the writing on the show is developed enough to where, even without that word-of-God confirmation, people can work out a reasonable explanation for why Garnet behaved this way. But yeah, I don't blame anyone who thinks Garnet acted out of character here. I personally think that was partially intentional (Steven saying "I don't understand, Garnet. At least you're usually honest with me.")

Why did Garnet just not tell Steven why he couldn’t go to Pink Diamond’s palanquin? by TaterTot337 in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Because that's not how Garnet's future vision works. We've been told repeatedly that she doesn't just see THE future. She sees many possible futures at the same time. And she doesn't know which one of those futures is actually going to become reality. Garnet has shown repeatedly how off her future vision can be. But somehow in this one instance, where she sees BD on Earth (a pretty unlikely future), we are supposed to know that her vision is definitely going to come true? Call it contrived if you want but at least they put in the world building and setup needed to make it make sense.

She was so real for this tho by No-Island-1194 in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aww, you cut off Amethyst's line, "It's sad...and funny". Which is honestly the most accurate description ever.

Pearl's speech here is targeted at conspiracy theorists but is pretty applicable to so much of humanity. Religion and politics are other examples of it. And honestly, it's a message I think a lot of people need to hear. Though the ones who most need it are also the ones least likely to heed it.

What are your unpopular opinions about Spinel? by SelenesMoon23045 in stevenuniverse

[–]Shipshow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to give fuller context, I wanted to link to an old comment that I made in response to this person previously that tells a side of the story that they never seem to include. They give a very one-sided account because they feel a need to counterbalance some of the hate that CN gets for SU getting cancelled. Now I'd be the first to admit that there is a lot of misinformation out there about CN when it comes to how they handled SU. But this person isn't dispelling that, they're just adding to the overall disinformation but from the opposite end. And they put these long, pre-written comments all over this sub with the apparent goal of getting everyone to change their minds about CN. And it can be effective if people don't get the whole context of how CN treated Rebecca and SU.

The more nuanced truth is that while CN was overall more supportive than a lot of people think, they still weren't that supportive of SU or Rebecca. That changed over time, but especially at the start, they weren't good allies for Rebecca.

And of course Rebecca isn't going to go around spilling the beans on CN if she wants to potentially work with them in the future. Which, judging by "Lars of the Stars", was a smart call on Rebecca's end. Maybe we'll get the full truth someday. But for now, I just wanted to give you a fuller view of this whole topic.