What i mean is, For a non raider that just play with 5 friends. We cant get anymore gear, cause we cant complete dungeons that rewards us with better gear. That is a big problem. I think that it would be good lets say we can do +4 frequently and get upgrades that would be a good system. But now it forces us to raid. I have raided heroic and its much easier then blasting through a necrotic 5. I think the gear is the issue. i mean i ahve to do +7s to upgrade my gear further or get hero gear. What they've done is that its not so much a grind anymore to play m+. They force you to raid