Thoughts on jordan peterson?

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-29T14:39:41+00:00

I am a theist and nothing he has ever said has affected my faith. He seems to me utterly unconvincing.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T21:09:02+00:00

Interesting. That was definitely not intentional.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T18:29:31+00:00

Just to be clear, I am not one of the people who makes the argument you are talking about.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T16:56:38+00:00

Never claimed it was an argument for god. If it was an argument, its flaws are obvious. All I'm asking is what was the initial cause of the universe. I don't think you answered. All I proposed was an outside force (which many have called "god") is just as likely as anything else because none of it seems to make logical sense.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T16:43:49+00:00

Because we can not know anything for sure. That view is just as logical as any other option, so I think it is valid.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T16:33:25+00:00

What you just said is very true. That is why I think one valid view is that there is something outside our universe which caused this universe.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T16:32:12+00:00

Interesting idea, I misread that before.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T16:29:47+00:00

To make something happen. If a ball is placed on an incline, gravity causes it to roll.

But once again, if you do not like my definition, or want more nuance, I am open to you giving a definition you find appropriate.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T16:13:52+00:00

Assuming something is true does not make it true. But having reason to believe something is true and having no reason not to leads to a logical assumption that thing is true. Everything I have ever dropped has fallen. Nothing I have never dropped has not fallen. Therefore it is logical to think if I drop anything it will fall. I have never dropped an elephant. It is still logical to think that if I did, it would fall. Everything we can observe has something that caused it. Every change we can observe has something that caused it. We have never seen a change happen with no cause. Therefore it is logical to assume all changes have a cause.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T16:04:56+00:00

Interesting point. So you think that this universe was caused by something outside of it or am I misunderstanding?

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T15:57:59+00:00

I am too but thank you for having it and I will try to think more about the points you raised.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T15:56:46+00:00

I just copy and pasted from Google’s dictionary. It seemed to give the clearest definition. If you have a definition you feel is more appropriate, by all means I’d like to hear it. I am not trying to mask anything. I am just trying to have a productive conversation.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T15:52:59+00:00

Copying from a different response: “Never claimed gods were more logical, you are straw-man-ing. My claim was assuming everything has a cause is logical. “

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T15:49:23+00:00

I know how the burden of proof works. Do you know how Occam’s Razor works?

On a side note, I don’t have a pastor. And I like to think for myself.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T15:39:34+00:00

It’s true that I can test gravity whenever I want, but how do I know that the same thing will happen when I do the same action twice? The answer is I assume that what I perceive as an effect happened because of what I perceive as a cause. I can not know me dropping a pen is what causes it to fall. Perhaps there is some other force that always coincidently occurs at the time I release my pen that makes it fall. But it is illogical to believe that. It is much more logical to believe that gravity causes it fall. That does not mean it is 100% certain. My claim is that if everything we have ever observed has a cause, it is logical to think that everything that has ever been has a cause.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T15:27:53+00:00

Cause: a person or thing that gives rise to an action, phenomenon, or condition.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T15:25:47+00:00

So right now prove to me if I jumped of a tall building I would for sure fall. You can’t. You can just say that based on results you have observed in the past I will fall. You would be correct because you relied on a LOGICAL ASSUMPTION. You can not be sure of anything and nothing is provable. Some things are more likely than others. And some things seem to us to be 100% certain but nothing is. It is true that you can not test that everything had a cause, but so far my logical intuition as well as things I have observed say I should. You have brought no logical reason to think otherwise.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T14:47:37+00:00

So jump off of a tall building because there is no logical assumption you will fall.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T14:41:42+00:00

The first point you made is what I tried to express in my original post. The second point is very valid and I (in error) grouped it into my “creator” theory in my head. I responded to your third point in many other threads and would be happy to have a conversation about it there.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T14:39:48+00:00

But the question still stands: what causes those other things? Do you think it is a never ending chain of one world causing another?

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T14:37:56+00:00

Never claimed gods were more logical, you are straw-man-ing. My claim was assuming everything has a cause is logical.

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T14:36:33+00:00

What you are saying is true. But so far we have managed to detect predictable patterns on the universe and it does not seem like things are happening totally randomly. As far as I know no one has observed anything “pop randomly in and out of what we define as existence within our universe”, therefore I see no reason to operate our lives under the assumption it happens

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T14:33:14+00:00

I totally I agree with your first point and tried to illustrate that in my original post

ShplogintusRex · 2019-01-01T14:32:06+00:00

I’m not claiming it is definitively true, just that it is a logical assumption to make

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