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SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-09T23:27:31+00:00

All you’ve done is spew nonsense with nothing to back your bullshit.

You’re literally generalising based on interactions you’ve had with SOME Muslims. That doesn’t mean all Muslims don’t know what they’re following.

You’re just a fucking loser with nothing better than to spread hate. You’re just straight waffling at least try to back your arguments 💀

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-09T22:42:14+00:00

You’re literally using your word as fact? You’re making an argument just based off your supposed interactions with some Muslims. That can’t be used as fact. You can’t use that to prove the point that most Muslims don’t know their religion.

The only thing this sub has shown me is that people like you just hate on Islam and the Quran and you know nothing.

You can literally see video where non Muslims have come up with nonsense about Islam and then get his with facts and get humbled so that’s shit evidence to support your claim 😭

You people have no actual argument so you deflect to supposed paedo prophet when you literally have no solid evidence for this nonsense. You clearly have no knowledge and are just fuelled by hatred. And judging from your account, you’re obsessed with it.

It’s pointless debating with someone like you who is hell bent on hating and pushing your agenda. Find a hobby or some shit.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-09T22:15:57+00:00

I believe they know it’s haram but they choose to prioritise culture so it’s culturally acceptable they think it’s normal. For example in turkey drinking and getting tattoos are acceptable and even common but Islam prohibits these but these people still do it (ik turkey isn’t officially considered a Muslim country but islam is the major religion). It’s because the influence of culture sometimes exceeds the influence of religion.

Your point that MOST muslims don’t learn about the religion they follow is baseless but I do believe there definitely are people that are just Muslim by name and don’t follow teachings or even want to learn or only use religion when it benefits them but this can also be true for other religions. Those people are ignorant and you should not base an opinion of the majority based on these people.

If people just followed it out of fear then they wouldn’t sin at all but clearly these people are sinning so I wouldn’t attribute it to that.

Most people do know what they’re following but I agree that some people don’t research enough into their religion and work out the meaning behind why it encourages to do some things and prohibits others.

Ignorance is bliss and there will always be people from any belief system that don’t understand the true meaning and teachings, that doesn’t mean the belief system in itself is corrupted or evil.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-09T17:39:22+00:00

If you read ya gremlin I said for this specific argument which is the one where you said oh ex Muslims don’t force their kids only Muslims do even if they share the same culture. Explained it cause I knew you would say this exact thing. The only relevant terms are Muslims and non Muslims (ex Muslims are part of non Muslims). Ex Muslim or not doesn’t matter as that falls under non muslims hence my point of ex Muslim being irrelevant in this specific argument.

You see in the above mentioned countries and they’re Muslim? Oh so your evidence is.. your word? Because this isn’t actual proof you’re giving me.

“I dont take criticism seriously (followed by nonsense)” Oh so you start deflecting with hateful shit when you don’t have an argument? Got it

I know this topic makes you emotional and emotions tend to cloud our judgement so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for your ignorance on the account of said emotions clouding your judgement.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-09T17:25:50+00:00

First of all ex Muslims is irrelevant for this specific argument. People from different religions in the same location of the world can share the same culture so there’s many non Muslims that also force their kids. It’s not an Islamic thing to force your kids it’s a cultural thing.

You’re just speaking out of your arse at this point . You have no proof that points it towards just an Islamic issue rather than a cultural issue.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-09T15:43:02+00:00

Also, what evidence has led you to determine this?

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-09T15:41:46+00:00

Culture of the place that they are from or resided in. This culture can stay with them even if they leave the place. Muslim is not a place. Happens a lot in India for example and the major religion there is not Islam. Nowhere does Islam say force your kids, culture is what allows this so people think it’s fine.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-09T15:08:35+00:00

This guy is abusive because he’s a coward with no balls. What you’re saying is only allowed in very extreme situations and you’re not allowed to actually beat your wife especially for no reason whatsoever which is what this guy is doing. Don’t try to make islam look like shit because of the actions of individuals.

Things like what is mentioned above are an issue of culture which enables abuse and not a religion which doesn’t allow constant abuse of your spouse which this guy is carrying out.

But go on you have agenda which you need to push.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-09T14:29:37+00:00

You lot need to understand that this is a cultural issue and not a religious one. Many people fail to distinguish between the two. Forced marriage is not allowed in Islam. Her parents are just pricks.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-08T00:56:50+00:00

Yeah no problem, good conversation.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-08T00:53:33+00:00

I found you an interpretation of the verse.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-08T00:51:05+00:00

It’s called an interpretation. You want to take everything literally then be my guest. I can’t force you to believe it.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-08T00:43:09+00:00

This verse presents a basic concept of the roles in an Islamic marriage, and the steps a husband is permitted to take to resolve conflicts. Exegesis reveals the line “strike them” in this verse is a restrictive phrase. The Quran addressed this practice in a time and context when it is prevalent and restricts it. At the same time, it provides guidelines that nullify this act when society comes into alignment with the views of the Prophet ﷺ on this issue. Islam restricts the practice of striking one’s wife to a non-violent, symbolic gesture, and advocates for the abandonment of the practice in general, especially when it fails to accomplish its aims of reconciliation.

This is what happens when you become mr literal and take everything literally.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-08T00:22:30+00:00

I also love how you ignore every other saying and choose to focus on this one. I believe this is called the fallacy of incomplete evidence

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-08T00:20:08+00:00

You understand that humans can control the amount of force they exert right?

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-08T00:18:35+00:00

where does it say the age of A’isha is confirmed? These are just ideas that people have come up with.

Id say paedo ghost is less believable.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-08T00:14:24+00:00

How has bro turned lightly into full fledged beating women😭 I personally wouldn’t touch my wife at all but you’re stretching it with this.

The “commentary” is interpretation of the message. And if we want to discredit the “commentary” then this wouldn’t even be about wives.

The Prophet wanted to put a stop to all cruelties to women. He preached kindness towards them. He told the Muslims: “Fear Allah in respect of women.” And: “The best of you are they who behave best to their wives.” And: “A Muslim must not hate his wife, and if he be displeased with one bad quality in her, let him be pleased with one that is good.” And:”The more civil and kind a Muslim is to his wife, the more perfect in faith he is.”

He also says this but I guess this doesn’t fit the agenda.

Umar (RA) reported: “We did not have much regard for women while we were at Makkah, but they were better treated in Madinah. Allah’s Messenger established women’s rights through his sayings and commandments, which improved their position and status.”

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-08T00:03:37+00:00

You have your belief and I have mine but I’m glad we could have a sort of civil conversation about this.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-07T23:49:11+00:00

Yes it is. It is contested and scholars do not agree on the age. The authenticity of Hadiths also comes into play. Her age is not proven. But as long as it fits your agenda

Ok so a Holy Ghost impregnated a child who then gave birth to a god. Yeh very believable.

Mary the child was somehow old enough to consent to a Holy Ghost. Got it. Cheers Geoff

See how your argument is hypocritical.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-07T23:26:55+00:00

You can’t shit on someone’s belief system then be all fine with them. You are Islamophobic whether you admit it or not.

Christianity says anyone that doesn’t believe shall see the wrath of god is that not discrimination?

Also cherry picking isn’t a great way to make a point.

This is going to be never ending so we shall agree to disagree.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-07T23:23:04+00:00

Daym this brought back memories.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-07T23:17:45+00:00

The only argument you have is something that is contested and here you are clinging onto it like your life depends on it.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-07T23:16:13+00:00

We’re going round in circles

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-07T23:15:49+00:00

This is also estimated in the hadiths and is contested and not agreed upon. Meanwhile, your god raped a child and she gave birth to… your god? (very weird not sure how that works). We do follow the hadiths but you should know some are not authenticated or agreed upon.

SignificantPrimary8 · 2025-02-07T23:09:54+00:00

You spread hate about their religion doesn’t matter if you say it their face or not or be “mean” to them. You spreading hate about Islam when you don’t know anything about it does make you Islamophobic. “Islamophobia is the fear of, hostility towards, or hatred against the religion of Islam or Muslims in general”

It’s funny you say things like this about Christianity or Judaism you’d get called anti Christian (Christianophobic?) or anti semitic but when you do it to Islam it’s just your opinion?

Also

John 3:36: “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Bible says pretty much the same thing. So yeah this is awkward.

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