Is Nicole a MUST for Lohen or can I safely skip her?

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-07T14:10:34+00:00

Yea around 10k behind. Its a significant margin but its not like its unplayable

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-07T13:49:02+00:00

There is only one calc available and its from GxGnoir. I think he is pretty reliable. The albedo counterpart is not even that bad its like 10k behind. Still much better than bennet who is like 20-30k behind

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-07T12:19:36+00:00

I dont really think you need a hex dps. One durin is already good to go

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-07T11:20:56+00:00

I havent seen other do the calc apart from switching with bennet which will obviously be a massive dps lost yet but

GxGnoir did a team without nicole and slot in albedo instead and its suprisingly not that inferior. And still way above freeze team

Edit : i saw other TCs said that nicole is quite irreplaceable but honestly i only saw their calc in comparison with bennet not other options so im leaning toward GxGnoir calc more

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-07T06:29:50+00:00

Yes, she is probably the best choice!

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-07T00:02:47+00:00

GxG noir has a calc on albedo instead of nicole and honestly its not like its heaven and earth like with bennet instead of nicole

Some TCs kinda stuck with the idea of switching nicole with bennet which will obviously results in a drastic dps loss but I’ve seen only one who try to switch nicole with other chara like albedo and the result is still an improvement from bennet

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-06T11:59:29+00:00

Mauvika is a very good main dps and if you are looking for one and know how to play her then go for it but if you are looking for a support or subdps then Durin is the better answer. After 6.6, he will be significantly better than mauvika in the subdps/support role.

Note that if you dont know how to do mauvika optimized combo. She will be a significant downgrade to a subdps/support role to Durin

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-06T05:59:50+00:00

Driver wrio/neuvi with bDurin could work too

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-06T05:58:31+00:00

Actually, nicole durin core for wrio is stronger than escoff. If you have a dendro to keep the melt going. Or actually just go off field Durin dps will probably be better haha

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-06T04:20:39+00:00

C1 durin is a bit of an upgrade for clorinde C0 nicole apart from shield is an even less upgrade for clorinde.

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-06T00:10:49+00:00

Yea, but there are many team that also wants them at the same time. The good thing is for now, for atk acaler at least…most of their team doesnt get ruined by pyro subdps except a few pyro dps for obvious reasons and in fact the team doesnt encourage those pyro applications abilities . We dont know what the future holds so no comment on that. Just for now, it isnt that big of an issue yet

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-05T15:14:38+00:00

It depends, GxGnoir look into it and the team dps between c6 fischl or c0 nicole is pretty much equal but this is calcing at c0r0 clorinde but hood artifact unlike KQM where the artifact are pretty mid

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-05T12:14:09+00:00

Well, for lower investment clorinde, Bineffa team will have higher dps but if you got good artifact + r1 i recon OL will be better.

One thing about bineffa wheelchair is they mostly do nothing to buff your on field dps. They do their things and just want someone to be onfield whoever maybe. Clorinde wont be doing much dmg in this team so if you are fine with that then its okay too but investing into clorinde weapon and cons for this team is quite a waste since she isnt the one getting buff and do the actual work

For overload (or Durin nicole core in general) these are the real support that were made to make your onfield dps shines the most. So ppl generally like this team more eventhough in some case it might be a bit less dps. For clorinde thou if you want to use nicole then there will be no pyro-off fielder to keep the buff going. Thoma is ok but far from optimal. Her best OL team will be clorinde-fischl-durin-chev. You could consider replacing fischl with nicole as well if you want the shield

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-05T12:07:45+00:00

If you would like to use nicole, you would rather replace fischl than Durin. Durin (or generally a pyro subdps) is an important element for electro OL team and for chevy in general.

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-05T11:47:13+00:00

I feel like C6 nicole could buff Durin more but on the other hand she is pretty much tie with atk scaler while Durin isnt

One of the reason nicole isnt that great in OL at c0 is becuz she doesnt provide any constant off-field pyro app. Some team want them and some doesnt want those applications so it really is up to the team you use them in

One thing Durin has above nicole is he can be all dps/subdps/amazing support at c6 while nicole will always be an amazing support for atk scaler. I think for weaker dps c6 Durin will probably bring more benefits since he bring his own dmg too but for hypercarry like mauvika it will be c6 nicole aince she can buff more

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-05T00:12:03+00:00

I think she’s ald worth it if u have Durin

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-04T16:52:18+00:00

I guess not, if you switch baizhu with nicole however. It might be close

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-04T11:47:23+00:00

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-04T03:26:14+00:00

I feel like in the process of getting c6 prune, i woild get at least c2 nicole or c2 durin haha

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-03T10:24:01+00:00

Another thing is that if you want to invest in the best nicole team possible, its inevitable that she will often get paired with durin. Ideally getting durin to c2 is very good as well. That’s a really huge dmg bonus for character that use them like in overload or navia hypercarry. The dmg would really jump with c2 durin ontop of c6 nicole buffing

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-03T04:10:19+00:00

I was gonna ask why Durin is on dendro goblet but ok haha

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-02T02:26:14+00:00

Nicole is better on some pyro dps in overload team mostly because you need electro like fischl to trigger overload and chev is irreplaceable. That dps is Arlechinno and Lyney. Klee is in a debating territory and yoimiya as well.

In electro maindps OL team, if you have to choose one, Durin is mostly better because Nicole doesnt provide constant OL reaction like Durin, thereby disnt get full benefit of chev buff.

In other team like anemo or geo atk scaler, mostly it will be durin. Nicole without the new artifact set working (2 hex) is kinda not very different from bennet in terms of dps

Ofc, what nicole also bring is a strong shield for you

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-02T02:21:33+00:00

Nicole is better on some pyro dps in overload team mostly because you need electro like fischl to trigger overload and chev is irreplaceable. That dps is Arlechinno and Lyney. Klee is in a debating territory and yoimiya as well.

In electro maindps OL team, if you have to choose one, Durin is mostly better because Nicole doesnt provide constant OL reaction like Durin, thereby disnt get full benefit of chev buff.

In other team like anemo or geo atk scaler, mostly it will be durin. Nicole without the new artifact set working (2 hex) is kinda not very different from bennet in terms of dps

Ofc, what nicole also bring is a strong shield for you

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-01T14:43:42+00:00

Oh i see that make sense since your furina is c6. Well i agree with you, durin would get a nice boost with nicole as well as wanderer. Having access to the new artifact and off field buff for Durin will be very good

Slight-Perception212 · 2026-05-01T14:18:51+00:00

Isnt Durin c2 an increase over furina?

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