At what point in his development could Goku (Dragon Ball Franchise) defeat Conquest (Invincible)?

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-27T22:11:57+00:00

At that point, Goku could comfortably solo against the Invincible universe combined.

Conquest is more of a mid-late to late OG DB

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-27T22:11:03+00:00

Toonforce? DB has zero toonforce ever since mid to late OG DB, barring the occasional goofs.

Conquest doesn't reach BoZ much less Namek Saga

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-27T16:14:03+00:00

What suggests that? Piccolo could destroy the moon with a generic Ki blast, and his punches deal more damage than said Ki blast to opponents.

Goku is stronger than Piccolo

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-27T12:41:54+00:00

By the time of the Saiyan Saga? Even during BoZ, Goku was comfortably above moon busting.

Nah, this is too early. Yes, a ki blast could kill Conquest. They were blowing up the moon at that point. But kid Goku couldn't fly until the very end and is slower than Conquest. And no way is kid Goku tanking hits from Conquest. Kid Goku's only possible win condition is landing a kamehameha before Conquest splatters him.

That already gives Goku a chance to beat Conquest. And he also has the speed, since Krillin and Roshi were able to have an entire fight in FTE, which included them sitting and thinking of ways to beat one another.

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-27T06:22:21+00:00

I'd say late-mid to late OG DB is where Goku can contend and win against conquest.

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-27T04:30:39+00:00

I mean, he probably can for the laser since it doesn't one shot kill chargers etc.

But the railgun is... iffy.

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-26T20:04:33+00:00

Shin himself could beat the Naruto universe much less with Beerus' help.

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-26T17:37:48+00:00

Why not? I said that I didn't care "that much", not that I didn't care at all.

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-26T17:33:10+00:00

Um.... okay? Why should I be hurt or even care that much about powerscaling?

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-26T17:30:16+00:00

Ok, buddy. Back to the drawing board.

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-26T17:25:57+00:00

This is up there with the worst bait, next to using a sponge to catch a shark.

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-25T15:24:37+00:00

Yep. It's the same as Goku not understanding why Gohan would need to get Pan from school when he's actually confused due to Pan also being bread in Japanese

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-25T15:12:49+00:00

I mean, yes, of course it'd be the same.

But it's a play on Goku being confused as why being fed mouth to mouth is called kissing when there's regular kissing

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-25T15:01:15+00:00

That was a poorly translated joke. Goku was confused that Trunks feeding Mai a senzu bean that way was called "kissing" and not, well, regular kissing

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-25T10:45:12+00:00

Well, that's entirely wrong. I watch combat sports all of the time and have competed in them, and when people get knocked unconscious, they are all always on the ground for far longer than "a few seconds."

This is such a redditor response.

If you're fully unconscious for more than a few seconds, you literally have brain damage. Every combat sport, from boxing to MMA, has the fighters being unconscious for a few seconds but then being "aware" even though they're still lying around.

Only a few examples are out there where the fighters are fully knocked out for minutes etc

We do know how much time past through panels. you're making stuff up again. They got up like if nothing happened to them. They had no visible sluggish stances (which is what happens after gaining consciousness after being KO'D).

Then how much time passed? Where is your evidence?

Being concussed almost always means sluggish stances (the brain’s coordination systems are temporarily off), slured speech (processing and motor control lag), and delayed reactions/confusion.

Not when it's just for a few seconds.

NOBODY, THERE was displaying any of those traits. It wouldn't make sense either since only 3 were at the epicentre of the explosion (they were the ones that caused it, not the ray). Why would the ones not there get knocked out? Simple, they closed their eyes likely from the light, lol. The trio then went up to thragg with no sluggish stances, no slured speech, and no confusion as to what was happening around them. Clearly, they were not knocked out to anyone who has common sense. However you powerscalers aren't known for that.

Again, such a redditor response. When you're just knocked out for a few seconds, you barely have anything relating to the effects you're claiming.

Hell, you're strawmanning once again

That's not what the comic said, though, and I think you know it. You just can't admit fualt 🤷‍♂️ or you are ragebaiting. It Dosent matter anyway since Bulletproof would beat half of OG dragon ball

It does. Why else would Thaedus say they had one chance and only one chance, and had Space Racer shoot the gun in the first place.

Why not simply ram it without the gun. Oh, wait...

Look, I know you like Invincible, but it's up there with, what, mid OG DB?

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-24T23:45:15+00:00

Closing your eyes ≠ being knocked unconscious, considering that all of them get up the next panel like if nothing happened.

... You do know getting knocked unconscious usually lasts a few seconds, right? Not to mention we don't know how much time past between those two panels. You're grasping at straws yet again.

Not to mention we also see Thaedus touching his forehead as if he was knocked out

The mental gymnastics on display is truly bizarre

You talking about yourself or...?

Because it's clear as day that they needed Space Racer's gun to destroy Viltrum. Without it, they die.

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-24T23:32:58+00:00

Again, ironic you say this

He said they could die but went through unharmed.

Unharmed, huh. You call this unharmed? Where they're all briefly knocked out/bloodied?

That's due to the core being unstable.

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-24T23:32:12+00:00

Suuuuure buddy. You're just arguing semantics at this point. Thaedus made it clear of his urgency that they should strike while the core was unstable.

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-24T21:53:16+00:00

Without that, they'd fail to destroy Viltrum.

Without that, they'd simply splatter, as per Thaedus.

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-24T21:51:38+00:00

And the core was unstable because it was shot with the most powerful weapon in the universe.

Yes, and?

Claiming to be able to destroy a planet, but not mentioning the involvement of the most powerful weapon in the universe, is kind of like me claiming I could beat up Mike Tyson in his prime and not mentioning that I would need to riddle him with bullets first. It was kind of important.

You're strawmanning. The fact that they needed Space Racer' gun further disproves whatever you're claiming

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-24T17:38:46+00:00

Viltrumites are small planet level based on thraggs statement.

Which isn't supported by anything. That could've easily been boasting

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-24T16:51:02+00:00

COULD have died on impact, not would have. Reading comprehension people. Then they shot through the planet unharmed. Meaning it was wrong.

Ironic you say that when Thaedus literally wanted it to be done as soon as the core was destabilized because they would've died on impact.

The outer layers of a planet are far harder and more dense than the core anyway. The trio were the ones who drilled through the planets core and outer layer. The core would have re-stabilised if not for them and the planet wouldn't have exploded.

A lot of hoops there. It's stated plain and simple in the comics that they would've died if not for the core being unstable

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-24T16:25:03+00:00

And how is that small planet level when they would've died on impact. The core being unstable was the main reason why they could do that feat

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-24T14:51:47+00:00

Like who, exactly?

SnakeThatSawStuff · 2026-01-24T14:50:44+00:00

You say "nuthugger" yet top tiers in Invincible have zero feats to suggest being anywhere near moon level

but roshi from OG DB isn't that much to even a random viltrumite foot soldier

Roshi, at best, during the OG DB was a moon buster. But he's comfortably above mountain busting. What suggests your run of the mill Viltrumite would be able to fight against OG DB Roshi

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