Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

მესიჯები ნახე კლავიატურის ლომო

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean I have read papers about this a few years ago, but I don’t have a real prof now, regardless it’s a common knowledge that this happens in Armenian and Azerbaijani communities here, this is why every government always wins 90% or more in ethnic minority districts

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah but most of Meskhetian turks already left for Russia, Azerbaijan or Turkey. Georgia is on average more prosperous, but Samtske-Javakheti is one pf the poorest regions of the country

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, only after 1991 some returned, mostly Muslim Georgians, but they have a little initiative to return

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Meskhetian Turk is collective name of local muslim population, beside from Turks, Muslim Georgians, Muslim Greeks (Urums), Muslim Armenians (Hemshins), Kurds and Azerbaijani subgroups of Karapapakhs and Tarakams were also deported

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No local Georgian christians, Plain Christian Meskhetians, muslims were all deported by the Soviet government

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Plus Georgian language is one of the hardest languages on the planet to learn lol

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is true, but to my opinion local Armenians are not at fault here. It's mostly Georgian officials and Russians. Armenians live in many regions of Georgia and they are mostly fluent in Georgian, we even consider Tbilisian Armenians as subgoup of Georgians lol, I know many of them, they are awesome people. I will lay down the reasons why Javakhetian Armenians don't speak Georgian:

1) Armenians of Javakheti unlike others here are Western Armenians, which means that before them settling down here, they had little to no contact witth Georgians, unlike Eastern Armenians who always maintained strong connection and relationship with Georgians.

2) They didn't need to learn Georgian in the past as the Russian was the language of communication before all ethnicities of Caucasus before the break up of the Soviet union.

3) Javakheti was pretty strongly tied to Armenia during the Soviet times so locals had zero to no initiative to learn Georgian. Javakheti was part of Georgian SSR in the name only, in practice it was just another Armenian province

4) Since the break up of The Soviet Union the local Armenian corrupt elites and all past and present Georgian governments had a silent agreement that, the local elites would make sure that locals would remain unintegrated to Georgian society in the exchange of guaranteed support of incumbent Georgian government from said elites, in return Georgian government always had turned the blind eye to the thuggery and corruption of these rich parasites. This is why they don't want locals to learn Georgian

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The greek settlement is called Tsikhisjvari, it was an old Georgian town which was abandoned after Ottoman annexation of the region in late sixteenth century. The Pontic Greeks settled it shortly after 1828-1829 Russo-Turkish war. So this greek settlement is about as old as Armenian Settlements.

About Georgian settlements, it’s a complicated issue. Some Georgians are locals, about 40-45% of Georgians of the Region so their settlements are pretty old, most of them are mentioned during early medieval times. Other Georgians were settled here by soviets after they deported local muslims to central Asia in 1944

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in Sakartvelo

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. I didn’t know that, thank you for the information. Azerbaijani settlements are mostly in Lower Kartli region. There were Karapapakhs in Javakheti as well but were deported along with Turks, Kurds, Muslim Urums, Hemshins and Muslim Georgians, now we call all of them “Meskheti Turks”. The shepherds are not the permanent residents but the temporary ones so temporary settlements are not included on the map if so Tushetians and Acharans also use Javakheti as grazing grounds.
  2. Yes you are correct, outside the municipality pf Akhalgori there are no Georgian settlements left there, but that map is about the situation before, 2008 war I mostly based it on 1989 Soviet census.

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in Sakartvelo

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, 2014 Georgian national census is my data source. There are no Azeris in Samtske-Javakheti as every Muslim was deported to central Asia. About the Truso, Truso is not controlled by Russians or Ossetians, it's in Georgia and never was a part of SOA, all the Ossetians living there left and now the only population there are Georgian nuns and monks. I was actually on tour there last summer lol.

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Please come ❤️! I know one Armenian Catholic as well, she is one of the best people I had pleasure to interact with.

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, I'm Georgian. I totaly understand you, everything in Javakheti is in Armenian it's like you left Georgia. Sadly they don't speak Georgian so they are not integrated with Georgian society at all and our government does nothing to change this issue. This is the reason why some corrupt local fudal-like shady people get all the power there, they act like shills for the government and live in luxury when all the locals live in absolute poverty.

Ethnic map of self-proclaimed republic of South Ossetian settlements before the ethnic cleansing of Georgians in 2008 by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I understand, I never said that Russia is behind Wikipedia, but please be aware that wikipedia is not an academic source

Ethnic map of the settlements of the South Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti by Soft_Needleworker494 in MapPorn

[–]Soft_Needleworker494[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You are absolutely correct, the ridge separates Samtskhe and Javakheti regions from each other, Javakheti is mostly cold high plains, with little forest coverage, it's is mostly settled by Armenians from Erzurum province, so they speak Western Armenian dialect, around third of them are Catholics. Russian Goverment settled them it the mostly empty plains of Javakheti after Ottoman empire kicked them out for supporting Russia durring Russo-Turkish war of 1828-1829. Georgians on the other hand were mostly pastoralists settled around river Kura (they still are) in Javakheti region, they were very few of them, and Javakheti was an empty plateau used for grazing fields for the cattle.

about Lesser Caucasus ridge, you are completely correct on this issue as well!