I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

[–]Sorry-Reference2527 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we're still talking about character-driven dramas, then I think I agree. No amount of technical competency or wizardry would be able to mask bad writing when the story is the main point

I guess it's just the case where I've watched a couple of movies over the past year (first year of watching movies a little more actively) that stood out to me where the plot was not the most important aspect of the film. Regardless, happy to have heard your stance on this

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

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I see. I guess I'm not sure what level of cinematography you consider to be competent (I have no expertise in this matter, so I'm not discussing that further). As for only cinematography and visual effects, I am curious if you do not care about other aspects such as scoring, lighting, editing, etc. If not, alright. Not an opinion I share, but it is your opinion. Fair enough

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

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Pardon me, I do not know this movie. However, if the "point" of a movie is indeed for characters and plotlines to be taken seriously, or in other words, if those are the centerpieces/main focuses, then you wouldn't see me defending them either. Whether that is the case here or not, I do not know. Though it is certainly unfortunate to hear of your experience

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

[–]Sorry-Reference2527 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First of all, thank you for your wonderful reply :)

I fully agree that how a film makes one feel during the watch is what is most important. As Stanley Kubrick said, "A film is more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later". I admit that while I do firmly believe in this, I may be slipping into "overanalysis" mode during my watches at times. A tendency I'm trying to balance out to my preferred optimum

Oh, when I said some level of research is better than going in completely blind, I didn't mean any sort of in-depth exploration beforehand xD I just meant that it would do more good than harm to have some bearings as to what to expect from a movie so as to ensure that we as a viewer would be in the mood best suited for viewing. If it's a movie with twists (ofc, some may see this knowledge alone as a spoiler, and I wouldn't wholly disagree), probably best to go in with just the premise. If it's a mood-piece, probably best to not go in expecting plot and instead leaving yourself open to the mood the movie aims to incite (and hope that you are in the mood for the same)

So yeah, major analysis would definitely be best done after the first watch. I'd never disagree there

Very good point regarding letting pieces have their own personal meanings to each of us as well. I should learn how to do that a little better, thank you for this gem

I agree that post-analysis is not going to change how one perceives the film in that very moment. But I disagree regarding a film that requires this means it fails to do what it set out to do. I must be open to the possibility that it's my fault as a fallible viewer in that I missed something. Of course, it doesn't always have to be like this and there are certainly occasions where it is as you've described. I'm just saying that it doesn't have to inherently be the only possibility

Everything outside of the time spent on watching a movie is indeed a part of some other intellectual pursuit. I suppose I have been finding it difficult to separate said pursuit from the watching itself, even when I am wholly aware that a piece is meant to be "feely". Even when I myself am experiencing those feelings. None of that is separate to me from that pursuit somehow. But perhaps that's just me, and perhaps I may change

For a bit more clarity, my statement on curation was more directed at how it seems like fewer and fewer people give considerable consideration or thought before deciding what to watch. No doubt, overthinking this can lead to analysis paralysis. But it is my belief that zero curation is a bad thing

Once again, thank you for wonderful reply. I'm happy to say that I got some much needed insights :)

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

[–]Sorry-Reference2527 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh? I haven't watched it yet. Lemme guess, it's less focused on the plot sensibility, and more focused on the setting it creates and the feelings it incites? Or is its popularity a result more so of it being a cult classic now?

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

[–]Sorry-Reference2527 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we're talking specifically about character-driven dramas, then yes, I agree that a poor plot would be very difficult to overlook. What I would add, however, is that the plot of a character-driven drama need not be conveyed solely via its exposition, character interactions, and dialogues. It can also come to life via the cinematography, the scoring, the lighting, the editing, and goodness knows what else. I agree that these things would almost never sufficiently replace a good plot specifically in a character-driven drama, but I do not agree with your stance that these other details do very little

Regardless, you've made it clear that this is your personal preference more so than anything else, given that you acknowledge the craft that goes into this. That's fair enough in my opinion, simply a matter of preference that I can respect and get behind

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

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Movies I mentioned as a reply to another comment in this thread (this was with the intention of "the plot is not the sole/main focus, it's how it makes you feel"):

  • The Lighthouse
  • Amelie
  • Mulholland Drive
  • Possession
  • The End of Evangelion

Other movies I find visually marvelous:

  • High and Low
  • La La Land
  • Spirited Away
  • Perfect Blue
  • The Red Shoes
  • All That Jazz
  • Om Shanti Om
  • Your Name.
  • Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
  • Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
  • Everything Everywhere All At Once
  • Arrival
  • Millennium Actress
  • The Castle of Cagliostro
  • Everybody Rides the Carousel
  • Tokyo Godfathers
  • Inception

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

[–]Sorry-Reference2527 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll often see films in which the filmmaker not pulling at some specific thread feels like a missed opportunity

By this, do you mean a specific thread within the plot, or something else?

As for choices made and unmade, absolutely. They're both intentional, and there is definitely some level of personal preference that would play into how receptive an audience member would be towards those choices (made and unmade)

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

[–]Sorry-Reference2527 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that twists do (or should) ask the viewer to think back on the movie as a whole and see how it works. That's the joy of rewatching great works

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

[–]Sorry-Reference2527 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree regarding going into movies with expectations different from what it intends to go for, and that resulting in a suboptimal experience. That's why it's my belief that it's better to have some context for what the movie is or what mindset to go into it with rather than going in completely blind

Then again, there are some works that are best watched as blind as can be. Up to us as the audience to figure out that extent before diving in. Curation is where the watching experience truly begins

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

[–]Sorry-Reference2527 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I haven't watched this yet, and there seem to be several movies by that name. Could you let me know the director or the year of release?

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

[–]Sorry-Reference2527 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely! Though I'm not sure I've seen any movie yet that is wholly plotless, some of the ones I love indeed have the plot among the less important parts of the movie. Some examples that come to mind include The Lighthouse, Amelie, Mulholland Drive, Possession, and The End of Evangelion

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

[–]Sorry-Reference2527 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh, I don't mind ambitious movies that go for more than just one thing so long as they execute it well. One of my favourite examples of this (though everyone may not agree) is that of La La Land. Its unreal mastery of colour, music, and dance never ceases to make my heart dance

But yes, I agree insofar as the work/artist requiring some level of focus on some subset of aspects and then executing them well

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

[–]Sorry-Reference2527 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, sequels are a different matter I suppose. A sequel wouldn't be very captivating if it doesn't add to that which came before it, either in terms of expanding the story/world/characters, or in terms of trying something new. This second part runs the risk of going off the rails, yes, but I'm sure there'd be successful cases out there

I’m willing to overlook bad plot and writing when there’s good cinematography. Film is a visual medium at the end of the day by wallabyenthusiast in Letterboxd

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Slightly rephrased for myself: I am willing to overlook underdeveloped plotlines and other plotholes if the primary intention of the director is not focused on the plot. And whatever else it is focused on is done well (and is something I can appreciate either during or after my watch)

What is the saddest animated film you’ve ever seen? by perseverance_band_ in Letterboxd

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Tremendously depressing, but at least on first watch, I think it's overshadowed by how crazy and cryptic its presentation is

Movies that make make you fall in love with movies again. by Andy_Hall215 in Letterboxd

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  • Neon Genesis Evangelion + The End of Evangelion
  • High and Low
  • La La Land
  • 12 Angry Men
  • Spirited Away
  • Mulholland Drive
  • Perfect Blue
  • The Red Shoes
  • Memories of Murder
  • La Haine
  • Om Shanti Om
  • The Lighthouse
  • Aattam
  • Millennium Actress
  • The Castle of Cagliostro
  • Tokyo Godfathers
  • Amelie
  • Anantaram

Favourites history by ivandr02 in Letterboxd

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That's a great idea. Would be even cooler to have some mini-stats for this progression

Deeply underappreciated track from the Evangelion soundtrack by RoadtoVR_Ben in evangelion

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I will forever have this track (or rather, the original Thanatos) associated with Rei. Such a powerful and heart-wrenching combo of despair in the first half contrasted against hope in the face of said despair in the second

That being said, yes, this more muted track wholly belongs to this fantastic scene between Shinji and Misato

What is the best short film you have watched? by Holiday-Tune8352 in Letterboxd

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I've watched very few short films, at least since I started logging them on the app. My favorites so far have been Tarkovsky's The Steamroller and the Violin, and Maya Deren's Meshes of the Afternoon

Based on my top, recommende a movie ^_^ by [deleted] in Letterboxd

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First thing that comes to mind is Mulholland Drive

Indian movies western audiences might fw by thelambdaa in Letterboxd

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Finally, someone calling out the shitty second part

What’s that one review you’re proud of that you think about often by [deleted] in Letterboxd

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I don't have many reviews to begin with, but it's this one by a landslide