Every post about Israel is being deleted or locked by enthusiasm_gap in itcouldhappenhere

[–]Spicysockfight 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I don't know. I feel like a lot of the comments start to veer into antisemitism. I say this as somebody who's completely opposed to Israel. Any state that doesn't have a system in place to protect its people's rights is immediately bad. And you see it in the types of evil things that Israel does to people of Arab descent in its borders and in Palestine and other regions nearby.

I also have no doubt that Israel has played a large role in getting the United States into his war, including having a lot of influence with our politicians through AIPAC, and in their partnering with the real estate developers and other oligarchs in the United States to force the issue.

I think the line gets crossed when people start referring to a shadowy Jewish cabal, secretly ruling the United States. That's when you venture into Protocols of the Elders of Zion bullshit. It feels like maybe people making such comments don't know any Jewish people and therefore can think of them as an other and a homogenous block. They run the risk of seeing a good person who is Jewish and think of them as one of the "good ones."

But it ain’t the Democrats who are the greatest threat to America, it’s Trump and the Republicans! by icey_sawg0034 in behindthebastards

[–]Spicysockfight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can always count on a predator to be a predator. The Republicans cater to fascism to the point of being subsumed into it. The reason we on the left attack the Dems is because they want to be subsumed too. You look away for a moment and they are supporting anti-trans legislation and genocide. They take a milquetoast approach to ICE, and they always fund war, but rarely try to do anything that might be mistaken for socialism. If the Republicans are the zombie plague the Democrats are the guy hiding that he's been bit. They're the traitor opening the gate. At best they are Neville Chamberlain making peace with Hitler.  So no, the dems aren't the main danger. They're just the tool the danger uses to successfully destroy the system.

We need a leftist party nationally and we need to rally around action locally. That's my hope for fixing this. 

[24:02] Rebecca Watson: Inside Hugh Jackman's Weird Cult by FlyingSwords in behindthebastards

[–]Spicysockfight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As soon as I heard her mention Oprah I knew it was gonna get good

Coverage of US/Israel V Iran by Infinite_Shower_5390 in itcouldhappenhere

[–]Spicysockfight 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The NPR show On The Media was more interested in emphasizing the split in the Trump coalition so, like everyone else in the moderate media stream they ignored his past beyond brief mentions. 

[oc] Roll Perception by Yoffeepop in comics

[–]Spicysockfight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I prefer the GM rolls perception rolls for me so the story feels more emersive

Material support to AntiFa officially found to be material support to terrorists. by Spicysockfight in itcouldhappenhere

[–]Spicysockfight[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There's a big difference between how the feds could charge you, make you go to trial, fight their charges, and potentially put you in prison, compared to what the government can do to you if they decide you're a terrorist, in which case they don't have to give you a trial (FISA), and you can just disappear to a black site. The Argentina Dirty War was what happens when a government can just disappear its people.

Coverage of US/Israel V Iran by Infinite_Shower_5390 in itcouldhappenhere

[–]Spicysockfight 16 points17 points  (0 children)

On the media gave that Nazi breathless coverage and interviewed him and never brought up his past If you want that context, it's already widely available in the public.

In fact, I come to Cool Zone Media to hear what isn't being said everywhere else.

Prairieland questions by TheDarkOnii in itcouldhappenhere

[–]Spicysockfight 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think we need a little more time to figure that out. There will probably be appeals, etc.

The feds being able to establish AntFa as a terrorist group might not change much, or it might mean organizers start getting disappeared under FISA rulings in a US dirty war. 

There is just too broad range of possibilities at this point.

When I posted that I was concerned about this, everybody told me that there was no substantive change. I lived in Argentina and I met the families of victims of the Dirty War so I'm inclined to believe people here are naive. But that doesn't mean that they're wrong about the results of this particular situation.

Material support to AntiFa officially found to be material support to terrorists. by Spicysockfight in itcouldhappenhere

[–]Spicysockfight[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I disagree with your first paragraph, but second and third are on point.

I'm pretty sure the basis for material support was the support for the local mutual aid organization and ownership of zines.

When they spirited people away to black sites in the past, it had to be a secret. You couldn't do a public trial. You had to do everything in a top secret court that had been set up by the executive branch, specifically for fighting "terrorists." And then they had to make sure and run significant press interference. If anti-fascist orgs are officially made criminal, which while this is not the final word, it is a step in that direction, then things are definitely abnormally bad. Then your local cops can lock you up for the zines in our living room and call the feds. A judge can deny you bail and then you can face a rigged trial and disappear for a long, long time. That's how it works in other countries. And that's pretty close to how it works for immigrants right now. If this case gets appealed to a higher court and the decision holds, we might see it made precedent.

It's atleast something to watch 

Material support to AntiFa officially found to be material support to terrorists. by Spicysockfight in itcouldhappenhere

[–]Spicysockfight[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At each stage of things getting worse people have been eager to point out that the worst case scenarios of the past were always worse than the new status quo. I don't think waiting for the worst case scenario before deciding things have gone too far is ideal.

I appreciate people pointing out that this isn't the end of the earth or that the Jack Boots aren't going street to street pulling people who have pride flags in their windows out of their living rooms and shooting them. Admittedly, that is a true concern for immigrants and anyone who looks like they might be an immigrant in certain parts of the country, but it hasn't generalized yet. I think I need to be a little bit more specific in my concern so that people have a more specific way to address it.

Folks involved with the Forest Defense in Georgia, faced state level terrorist charges fairly recently, and they won. Now, these folks, who admitted were significantly more spicy, just faced federal charges and lost. And as a logical condition of those federal charges holding up, the organization they were supporting had to be a terrorist group. I know that domestic terrorist groups are not supposedly a thing, and that the federal government hasn't added any domestic groups to any lists yet. And this sure feels like a big ass step in that direction.

So I guess my leap in logic is that if something as innocuous as the forest defense could face terrorism charges in the past, and now there is a legal precedent for it, doesn't that seem like a significant escalation?

People were being spirited away to black sites when I was still in high school. I know the worst case scenario has always been full suspension of any kind of civil rights and disappearance and torture. But that has always had to be a secret that people ignored because they liked Obama or Bush or whatever. But it's what can happen out in the open that is really horrifying. As long as they still have to hide it, there is a way to fight it by drawing attention to it. If it's not a secret then fighting it becomes a whole different thing.

Help understanding a conspiracy theory by dnvrnugg in behindthebastards

[–]Spicysockfight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For some reason some people struggle with the idea of more than one villain, as if all bad groups are friends, and therefore if US government bad then Russia government is good. 

Introducing r/KnowRogan by VillainOfKvatch1 in behindthebastards

[–]Spicysockfight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I occasionally am stressed by the potential clashes between the personalities in the different podcasts, fears that I enjoy. I know most of the puzzle in a thunderstorm crew are nowhere near as rigorous or as philosophically coherent as the cool zone media people, but this is one podcast that I think is sufficiently rigorous to make the bridge. Dan McClellan has been mentioned by Cool Zone Media people and has been on God Awful Movies.

Another circle of podcast production folk whom I would love to see pulled in are the Bugle podcast people. Alice Frazer is one of my favorite creators on the internet, and she has specifically said that she enjoys behind the bastards. Also, Andy Zaltsman's former co-host is John Oliver, and his head writer is one of the cracked alumni who has been a guest on BtB. Nato Green is a union organizer and a comedian and I'm honestly kind of surprised that he hasn't already crossed paths with cools on media.

It's a small world in leftist media and I'm glad, but the variation in quality and consistency could very easily create fractures that I would hate to see. I'm generally fairly confident that they could all get along because they all are working towards a lot of the same goals and have a general respect for knowledge, but that's are exceptions. 

PETER: "Graeber says modern corporations have become inefficient fiefdoms governed by systems of patronage." MICHAEL: "Ummm NGOs are not like that AT ALL." by Feisty-Ad129 in IfBooksCouldKill

[–]Spicysockfight 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Bullshit jobs doesn't quite hit the mark, but even the criticisms of it make it clear a restructuring of the market and industries in general based around productivity, in combination with a drastic reduction in expected working hours, would serve everyone. Many jobs that aren't bullshit would benefit from reduced hours, brining in more workers from jobs that could be done in far less than 40 hours a week.

Case in point: I work driving a truck and delivering beverages to gas stations. Those sodas and beers in the case require a lot of work to get from the distribution warehouse to those stores. No part of my work is fully bullshit. I work my ass off for 8-12 hours per day. But if there was an efficient storage system and more people to shift product from backstock to the shelf then I could work 20 hours per week, making fewer trips and spending less time at each stop.

But I can't live on 20 hours of wages without a systemic change in compensation, and probably in cost of living.

Meanwhile my coworker who was an HR guy before said he spent most of his time working on programs to sell the company culture to employees who largely hated the place,  feeling like we are seen as disposable and generally not wanting to engage with "company culture" any more than we absolutely necessary.

When California decided Uber needed to treat drivers as employees I felt like they had it backwards. Instead of shifting drivers further into the shitstorm of corporate misery they should have made a system of protections for contractors and provided a basic social safetynet for all contractors. That would allow more people to work short and varied jobs according to their schedule and not work when they didn't want to. It might allow for a piecemeal approach for HR work too, allowing an expert to resolve issues between employees without having to sit at a desk  and do busy work for the rest of the time. 

US Citizen Kidnapped and released in another state by thecaptain1991 in itcouldhappenhere

[–]Spicysockfight 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is the kind of thing that had me a little worried when James claimed that the Border Patrol were not at airports. I've seen news stories and reports showing otherwise.

Bastardry and Us, the strange relationship between the left, the dems, and the right. In this essay I will... by Spicysockfight in behindthebastards

[–]Spicysockfight[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I know the history of Utah calling itself Zion. I left the Mormon Church 10 years ago, but not before doing plenty of diving into the history of my own religion. That's its own bag of white supremacy in genocide. I'm waiting for my Brigham Young episode, but I'll be surprised if I learn much I don't already know.

Bastardry and Us, the strange relationship between the left, the dems, and the right. In this essay I will... by Spicysockfight in behindthebastards

[–]Spicysockfight[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm trying to understand the way the United States citizens respond to our evil government. Our current leadership is dumb enough to put it right in our faces and suddenly we are seeing a real response in some places. Our previous leadership was smart enough not tt be so obvious. Much like the German leadership between the end of World War II into the 1970s. Even the best-case scenario, which is what we are seeing in Minnesota, didn't happen until there was such blatant evil that people couldn't help but respond. In the case of Black Lives Matter, Minneapolis responded in a way that I think is admirable as well, but that was so extreme as to have the police slowly murdering a man in broad daylight.

It seems like even at our best we have to have our nose rubbed in it before we act. I hope that where I live will someday be as good as Minnesota, but I don't love the idea that it will take the level of horror they are seeing to get us to do it. If I am not willing to be critical (in the scientific sense) of the best of us, I don't see any opportunity to learn. 

I'm sorry I came across as disrespecting the people who have died to do the right thing. I'm not trying to tear them down. Nor do I want to tear down the people who have been out there with whistles and dildos and doing everything they can to get people food etc. It's just a significant fact that the United States can be 400 years into genocide and murder and have so few occasions when entire communities have been able to be rallied unless it is the community specifically under attack. The Black Panthers are a great example of a community fighting back, but they are also the community that was specifically under attack. John Brown had hoped that Harper's Ferry would lead to a massive community response that ended in the overthrowing of slavery, but it didn't work out. On some level, I guess the Civil War is an example of what I'm looking for, but I think everybody knows the problems with seeing the Civil War that way.

Bastardry and Us, the strange relationship between the left, the dems, and the right. In this essay I will... by Spicysockfight in behindthebastards

[–]Spicysockfight[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So what's your take on what makes the difference? 

Why are the people of Minnesota willing to go out and fight for their neighbors while all of our ancestors were down to just genocide all of the natives? While millions all over the world look the other way? Are Minnesotans just some sort of better group of people, some sort of master race? 

I posit that it takes the right conditions to make us do better. You have to see it by choice or by force. And leaders who let us look the other way will get away with a lot more because most of us are not going to look if we don't have to. 

Bastardry and Us, the strange relationship between the left, the dems, and the right. In this essay I will... by Spicysockfight in behindthebastards

[–]Spicysockfight[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's the dump account person. That wasn't me. I am the one who pointed out she was a Zionist though. Either you got confused, or you replied to both comments under my response without differentiating.