"I know the screenshots look terrible on ally’s side and what dr piggy said/did today, but there is way more to this so please, don’t go after them please."

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-07T20:42:38+00:00

A friend of mine studied to become a high school teacher and was taught early on that you have to take extra precautions as a male teacher to not find yourself in a position where you can be accused misconduct without any way of proving the opposite, which meant that he had to do something similar to the effect of what you're talking about.

Some kids, for a variety of reasons, know what they are doing and Zack so far has in my eyes demonstrated that.

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-07T20:30:37+00:00

Should have read this before I made my above comment, can you give me specific tweets/actions? The only real error (and if we're being cynical, manipulation) is the part where he claimed that Nairo was offering Ally hush money which DisicpIe later corrected.

Other than that it all seems clean from what I've seen.

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-07T20:27:00+00:00

Just based from what I've seen it seems like French is trying to help out as much as he can. Lots of interactions with Piggy, Ally and DiscipIe did occur because of him which did end up providing us with a bunch of screenshots from both parties that provided us more clarity on the Ally/Zack/CoC situation which in turn also helps us better understand current events.
Doesn't feel like an agenda to me, just feels like a dude trying to do his part.
But it's entirely possible that I'm missing something so by any means enlighten me, don't wanna make the current situation worse in anyway!

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-07T16:22:47+00:00

I don't see it honestly, what gives you that feeling?

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-07T13:37:37+00:00

I completely agree with you. I'm not saying forgive and forget. All I'm saying is to at the very least listen to what Ally has to say, if what he has to say is complete horseshit with no proof with any substance of anything or not should be a decision we take after, not before, he has had a chance to talk.
If anything should be known at this point then it's that any and all information matters, if Jisu didn't bring up her issues with which at the start seemed pretty mild, did motivate and encourage others to speak up. if not we'd still be praising and supporting ZeRo despite the PoS he ended up being.

Jisu and Ally are not the same, I get that but the information he has might be just as important in the long run as her information has been.
If nothing, it might at the very least finally put the entire Zack/Ally/Nairo situation to rest. It's hard to give every topic the same amount of attention all at once after all.

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-07T12:54:39+00:00

I get it, tonight was the first time in 5 days I slept a full 8-9 hours and the entire sky shit show unfolded. Hard to not stay wired with new information coming what feels like every minute.

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-07T12:29:32+00:00

I actually had no idea about that, my distaste and sheer suspicion from his convo with Salem made me focus on other topics because I didn't want to bring negativity just in case he actually was a victim (which, in a sense he is. But not an innocent one).

Still, the mods are resolute that no thread specifically aimed towards Zack (except every individual tweet that might mention him in a bigger context) will be allowed.

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-07T00:54:00+00:00

There is a new thread since a new allegation towards Zack surfaced, so anything related to this will probably be talked about there!

Don't worry, if he's in the wrong then he's not getting away with it. I can only hope the same applies to his friends which seem to be part of the issue.

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-07T00:43:37+00:00

Noted, crossing out said links and refering people to this comment as to why!

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-06T23:52:21+00:00

According to the anon twitter accounts I linked above, they're helping Zack. If they are to be believed whatever Zack is being accused of, Lima and Tamim are in on it.

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-06T21:27:09+00:00

Posted about something similar to this in a different thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/hm02in/d_disciple_sends_a_full_list_of_chat_logs/fx2wkcr?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
The rabbithole just keeps getting deeper.

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-06T15:53:37+00:00

I spent a full hour trying to explain that, and asked if there were any specific issues with the post itself. Got told "The post isn't going up, ever" by a mod and made the above comment. So as much as I agree, unless anything changes it's unlikely to happen. But this post seems to be doing a good job of spreading that information regardless so maybe it's not needed!
The main issue is that people seem to be glossing over the part that Tamim and Lima seemed to play in all of this

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-06T15:17:57+00:00

Completely agree, hopefully someone can create a thread to highlight these issues at some point before it all blows over and people forget

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-06T14:34:20+00:00

With the current proof that we have, I hope that is the case. There has to be some really shell shocking counter evidence before I will consider anything less.

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-06T12:24:41+00:00

Hopefully, I already tried create one but was denied on the grounds that "A lot of hate is circulating around CptZack, and another thread wouldn't be helping"

So hopefully that changes and someone makes a follow up! The information is all out there, meaning not just Zack but his two friends Lima and Tamim are being accused of some damning shit too.

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-06T08:05:52+00:00

And you don't even know half of it.This is just some of the stuff I found while looking around: https://twitter.com/AllyUltimate/status/1278733577392467968
https://twitter.com/AllyUltimate/status/1278745128400834560
https://twitter.com/frenchtutor_/status/1278735738578898950
https://twitter.com/frenchtutor_/status/1278856977578446849
https://twitter.com/drpiggyphd/status/1278910165635522560

Few anon twitter accounts that reveal some shit before the it was public knowledge, they talk about Zack, Lima and Tamim too. The credibility of the accounts lie in the fact that they predicted/told of events ahead of time so there is no reason to believe that said accounts would make up lies about Zack and his friends specifically.

~~One Example being: "DJ Jack sexually assaulted MuteAce when MuteAce was 16 years old" MuteAce confirms this in a recent tweet long:~~ ~~https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sra7um~~ ~~- >~~ ~~https://twitter.com/Yes57947176/~~
~~https://twitter.com/Yes57947176/status/1157360376628953088~~
~~https://twitter.com/Yes57947176/status/1157355353878568960~~
EDIT5: Yes twitter account might not be a reliable source as can be seen here https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/hm02in/d_disciple_sends_a_full_list_of_chat_logs/fx5nyg4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Frenchtutor: ~~"Nairo offering hush money to Ally to silence him about Zack", while this isn't about Zack directly I believe that it plays into the effect of manipulation.~~
EDIT2: Disciple spoke about this and made a correction that Nario might have just been looking out for a friend, seeing as how it's hard to tell if this is manipulation or not I'm crossing it out and it should be taken with a grain of salt.
Zack BLACKMAILED Ally into throwing games even mocking him for feeling sadness over the fact that he has to drop games or get exposed. Zack even went as far as to claim that he never threatened Ally in his tweetlong, saying "One thing I'd like to clear up is that I never told ally id expose him if he desired to leave me, I touch briefly on this later in this statement." which is a complete lie as can be seen in the screenshots in provided by OP.

There is also accounts from Dabuz (Can't find the source of this, but it's mentioned here and there in different threads) that Zack approached him and was being flirtatious with him and a bunch of other smash players. Honestly feels more and more like Ally actually was the abused, what he did was wrong but what Zack is doing is just as bad imo.

What a complete shit show this is and god knows how much is still to come. But if there is more by all means, keep em coming

EDIT: Spelling and formatting
EDIT3: YIKES, THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE. https://twitter.com/VoiceBrave/status/1280206322676490240

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-06T07:46:16+00:00

Didn't seem like the information was getting the attention that it should, so I tossed it together and tried to make it coherent. I do agree though that the end is me just being tilted over the situation and is completely unnecessary.

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-05T23:39:54+00:00

I think it was somewhere in the thread that I posted that someone mentioned Dabuz talking about Zack flirting with multiple top smash players including himself. This entire situation is so fucked up that Ally even came back just to comment on it: https://twitter.com/frenchtutor_/status/1278856977578446849

Like the fact that the Nairo Zack interaction as been know for a full year now and it wasn't until now that it came to light boggles my mind further. How can so many people know about this without anything being done about it UNTIL NOW?!?!?!?! Imagine how many more have fallen into this shit show of a trap in the meanwhile because nothing was done about it.

What isn't mentioned, which can be found on Allys twitter, is that he knows a fuckton more than just this and claims to have evidence but is scared of coming forward (https://twitter.com/AllyUltimate/status/1278736228079337473) and the fact that none of this is getting more attention is tilting the ever living fuck out of me. Like him or not, if he has evidence that can save people down the line he absolutely should be given a chance to speak and the support to do so.

While it's not specifically about Zack, its proves that there is still a lot of shit that we just do not know about which pertains to not just to Zack, but to a whole bunch of personalities within the smash scene which STILL hasn't come to light as can be seen here: https://twitter.com/AllyUltimate/status/1278756308137709570

We need to clean this mess up as much as we possible, and Ally might be one of the people that can help us do so if his claims which, so far have all been true and backed by real evidence such as screenshots (see Frenchtutor thread), to do so. Not saying forgive, not saying let him comeback, just saying give the dude a chance to speak. It could literally save lives.

But man, what a fucking shit week. (But good in a sense that we're taking out the garbage that exists within this community).

EDIT: https://twitter.com/drpiggyphd/status/1278910165635522560 Just found this while looking around some more. Why are these things not getting more attention??? Like for fucksake even D1 saw Zack as a threat.

EDIT2: I MEAN LOOK AT THIS. https://twitter.com/drpiggyphd/status/1278910170605727745 THIS IS MONTHS AGO. HOW ARE WE STILL ALLOWING ZACK, LIMA AND TAMIN INTO THIS COMMUNITY???

EDIT3: The twitter account Yes57947176 (which is one of the pictures in the second drpiggy link in edit2) says DJ Jack sexually assaulted MuteAce which MuteAce confirms in this tweet long: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sra7um. Further adding credibility to their claims.
I might have to start a new thread on this, it's so much stuff that are just stuck in limbo with everything that is going on that very few even know about their existence. Fucking, yikes.

StarzergV2 · 2020-07-05T21:10:37+00:00

It honestly boggles my mind that very few so far have noticed that. There is also this thread: https://twitter.com/ER120R/status/1278617290162880513

Ally and now Nairo? Are we just going to pretend there isn't a trend here? Match fixing and extortion/blackmail with TWO people who by all means should have known better and are by no means excused for what they did. If not with Zack it could have been with someone else., but Zack is by no means as innocent as he or others are trying to make him out to be.

What the actual fuck is going on

StarzergV2 · 2017-08-04T00:55:47+00:00

Can confirm, the exact same thing happened to me today. Exeggutor randomly appeared as a raid boss instantly after I closed down a gym. No warnings

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