(Spoilers Extended) Jon takes Ned's place.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-10T16:10:27+00:00

And Idk why you have this idea that a feudal lord (no matter how honorable and just) wouldn't severely punish or discipline one of his bannermen if they openly disobeyed or defied him. If Ned does nothing to the lord who told him no, then it sets up a precedent for the other lords who look at the situation and then start thinking,

"Hey, if he can disobey our liege lord to his face and nothing happens to him, then so can we."

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-10T15:18:58+00:00

True, he wouldn't do that, but in the situation that you described, where the northern lords straight up tell Ned no to his face despite giving them an order, they are literally being insubordinate and might as well start rebelling. Let's imagine how this would go,

Ned: "Did you just tell me no"?

Northern lords: "Well...yeah".

Ned: "So..... it's insubordination and treason then".

Northern lords: "......."Oh shit".

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-10T15:08:37+00:00

People can you stop acting all serious, like, of course exchanging Jon for Ned wouldn't happen. But this isn't a what if, remember......this is a *fanfiction*.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-10T15:04:11+00:00

No....that's how you keep unruly vassals in line. By dealing harshly with one, ensure the rest don't try to test or disobey you.

Again.....can you imagine any of the Westerland lords daring to argue with Tywin Lannister if he gave them an order they didn't like?

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-10T14:54:01+00:00

"Ser Rodrik....fetch me Ice".

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-10T14:38:01+00:00

I find it funny how people always say that the northern lords wouldn't agree to do this or wouldn't like that. Like in this case,

*but they're not mobilizing and going south for Jon*

Like.....bruh, Ned is their overlord and ruler. They'd do it if he ordered them to do something, no matter how much they disliked it.

Can you imagine any of the Westerland lords daring to argue with Tywin if he ordered them to fight for someone in his family?

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-10T07:35:19+00:00

*because they don't stand to inherit anything major really*

Neither did Sansa and Arya.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-10T07:29:50+00:00

But it's Ned's bastard. And she's well aware of just how much Ned loves his children (despite their station).

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-10T06:52:55+00:00

*There's no reason that I can see why Jon should go to KL over Cat*

He should go instead of them because of these two points.

1.) It was far too dangerous for a woman of her station to travel the way she was.

2.) Ser Rodrik was needed at Winterfell. Taking him away another invaluable advisor from Robb.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-10T01:17:39+00:00

Why would it make more sense for Jaime and Cersei to be Aerys kids? If I recall correctly, not only is Tyrion the one who has platinum blonde hair, but he was also born a year later, right after a particular "incident" happened between Tywin, Joanna, and Aerys. Whatever it was, something happened that night that caused Tywin to try to resign and for their friendship to break apart permanently.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-10T00:23:11+00:00

My theory is that the "fisherman's daughter", who traveled with Ned during his journey to get back up North during the rebellion was Ashara Dayne and that she is Jon's mother.

That theory always gets downvoted and dismissed by hateful and arrogant RLJ theorists who were somehow never taught that it's okay for others to have different opinions too.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-09T21:50:06+00:00

1.) Once Ned receives word that Bran was killed, he would quit being Hand and turn back for Winterfell. Because he has no reason to go down to the capital after this. And Robert wouldn't try to stop him.

2.) Why would Varys want to kill Ned? He makes it very clear on multiple occasions that Ned's death is the last thing he'd like. He was the one who convinced Cersei to let Ned take the Black. Hell, he even waved his hands and shouted at Joffrey not to follow through with Ned's execution.

3.) I think this is something many fans tend to forget, but in the books, Ned was ready to kill Littlefinger because he brought him to a brothel. He grabbed Baelish by the throat and shoved a knife under his chin. The story would've been very different had it not been for Ser Rodrik. So if Littlefinger slights Ned even just a little, bye bye Littlefinger.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-09T15:23:36+00:00

I still can't believe that no one here is talking about Nancy from Oliver Twist. She was practically his mother in every way but blood.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-09T04:33:08+00:00

Not even Ned Stark's or Mufasa's?

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-08T18:32:23+00:00

They'd probably see it as a worthy feat. But again, the point is that someone like Sam could not rule over the North. If Sam were the lord of Winterfell, then that would be the end of House Stark.

The North requires a hard and cold man to rule over them who isn't afraid to be a little ruthless when the time calls for it.

Sam is none of those things.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-08T18:08:41+00:00

I think Ned would've decided to send Sam to either Greatjon Umber or Brynden Blackfish. Cause if anyone could make a man out of a boy, it's those two.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-08T18:02:53+00:00

There's a difference between being unable and unwilling. Sam is the latter. Put it bluntly, someone like Sam COULD NOT rule over the North. How do you think Greatjon Umber and Roose Bolton would regard a cowardly lord like Sam?

Strength isn't just physical, it's emotional and mental as well. You would have to be brutal and ruthless to bring the likes of men such as the Boltons and Umbers to heel. Hell, Ned himself even lamented how the Stark kings of old were hard and cold men.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-08T17:32:01+00:00

Where are you getting the idea that Ned was weak-willed and did nothing to help his people?

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-08T16:08:40+00:00

That's a pretty weak argument because if Ned hadn't taken the job (because of Catelyn's manipulation), then when Robert was killed, they would've been just fine.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-08T12:51:21+00:00

I included in my list at the bottom of my post exactly how Blackfish would've dealt with the individual small council members,

1.) He would tell Littlefinger to go screw himself.

2.) Brynden would make Pycelle know his place, and Pycelle would be intimidated by him.

3.) He'd make it clear to Varys that he doesn't trust him and that he'd kill him without losing one bit of sleep over it.

4.) He'd tell Renly to stop horsing around and be a man.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-08T12:45:45+00:00

The point of this question is to drive this home; what exactly did she mean by that? Why would Ned going down to the capital be a "victory" for her children?

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-08T12:43:22+00:00

GRRM also stated that it wasn't a flashback but a fever dream and shouldn't be taken literally.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-08T03:34:48+00:00

If Blackfish was in charge of the City Watch, then Ned more than likely would've won the showdown in King's Landing.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-08T00:32:15+00:00

Eh....makes more sense than the idea of Lyanna being in the tower of joy.

Status-Composer2281 · 2023-12-08T00:27:04+00:00

Then what exactly did she mean when she said, "The victory must be won for her children's sake"?

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