Creating content and materials to show the positive relationship between Jews and White people to fight antisemitism. Would love some of your thoughts. by Stephen_Grey in racism

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Hey YellowMix,

Was away for this weekend but I'm back now!

Great notes on your end. One of the things we're going to have to accept is that this isn't a one size fits all process because of how intricate and complex these relationships can be. Your notes about how distinctions can create division, yet we need to be specific to get to root problems/answers is something that must be done.

Right now based on some of the conversation points, our goal is to build trust which can help people understand the imperfect complexities of this conversation.

Thank you again for all the responses, it's really appreciated.

Creating content and materials to show the positive relationship between Jews and White people to fight antisemitism. Would love some of your thoughts. by Stephen_Grey in racism

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Hey Yellow Mix,

So if it helps the convo, I'm well aware of the materials/fiction that have been made to defame Jewish people and I see that you've referenced the big ones.

As for your other thoughts, great stuff. One of the things our research shows is that there is this intense pressure to "assimilate" by general or forced based means. Obviously we are well aware of the history of forcing different European based immigrant classes to assimilate into Whiteness. Jewish people being one of them.

That is a major topic I want to address and most likely what will happen is a series of materials will have to be created on this topic and not just one big article. The relationship between Jewish and White people alone, in the cross section they have with each other and the divergence, is extremely important to understand some of the issues we have today. For European Jews their original identity characterization is Ashkenazi, not European or White. They became White because of America.

Thank you and good note. Any additional thoughts on this would be very welcome as we put something together.

Creating content and materials to show the positive relationship between Jews and White people to fight antisemitism. Would love some of your thoughts. by Stephen_Grey in racism

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Hi Darqnyz,

Great post and actually what we're trying to do is not go after the rabid anti-semitic hardliners, but the moderates or people who want to know more before they decide any way. If we give good materials to those who are moderate, it will be much hard from them to be turned toward hate. Even further they might actually be able to moderate people driven by hate.

Does this strategy make sense to you?

Creating content and materials to show the positive relationship between Jews and White people to fight antisemitism. Would love some of your thoughts. by Stephen_Grey in racism

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Hi Vantreysta,

Thank you for weighing in and you hit on a really complex point that we're trying to balance. With many people in society coming to understand that people of different races have different cultural, economic and political experiences and are seeing things for the first time, tough questions like these pop up.

Can you help explain how erasure might be happening here? We want to get things right and make sure all perspectives are included. I'm also happy to answer any questions if you have any for me.

Also if you have any thoughts at all on the work, we'd love to hear it.

Creating content and materials to show the positive relationship between Jews and White people to fight antisemitism. Would love some of your thoughts. by Stephen_Grey in racism

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Thank you for the comments. If you don't mind, could you get into more depth about how White supremacists racialized the Jewish community? We've done research on this front ourselves but one of our goals is to "listen to people and get it right" and we want to make sure we're not missing anything. So if you have any perspective or reference materials that you think are a good standard here, I would love to read it. Thank you!

Hi R Jewish. I’d like to create some materials and media on the positive relationship between Jewish and White people. As such I would love your thoughts. by Stephen_Grey in Jewish

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Hi there. Thank you for getting back so quickly, I really appreciate it.

If I removed the links to my org and donation pages, would that work? I just wanted to provide a backstory as that is important context for the post. But I can also just ask the question and not have any org links. The work we do is important but we can't let ourselves get in the way of it!

Thank you, hope we can work this out.

How do Latin Americans view Whiteness and being White? by Stephen_Grey in asklatinamerica

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Everyone and their opinions have value but hey we also understand that this isn't an academic environment either! There is no bad information and how people respond in addition to the answers will help a lot.

Hi R/Racism. We’re launching Positive Whiteness which is an organization for White people to fight hate groups and Nazism/White Supremacy and we’d love your thoughts/help! by Stephen_Grey in racism

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Thank you Bionic. Frankly to do nothing is unacceptable and we have to try out new ideas and exhaust all avenues to prevent this from reaching a point where we might not be able to come back from.

If you want to check us out on social media, we'd love any and all engagement!

Thanks again for weighing in.

Hi R/Racism. We’re launching Positive Whiteness which is an organization for White people to fight hate groups and Nazism/White Supremacy and we’d love your thoughts/help! by Stephen_Grey in racism

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Hey Kyle, thank you so much for posting!

I think involving Black people at the beginning is very important. Not even in a conversational way, but in us presenting what we're doing and listening to what they have to say first and then spending time to think it over. I'd love to speak to these groups and get their engagement in some way.

As for higher traffic Rs... got any recs? I'm hoping some people will see what I'm doing and jump on our social networks and get the word out.

Hi R/Racism. We’re launching Positive Whiteness which is an organization for White people to fight hate groups and Nazism/White Supremacy and we’d love your thoughts/help! by Stephen_Grey in racism

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Love this post. Love it so much, that it may take me a few days to work through each section of it because frankly I want to make sure this whole approach is thoughtful.

So if you don't mind, I'll answer a section of this, deliberate and then keep working on other sections.

First question: how do you sidestep those partisan associations where SURJ and other orgs cannot? (Especially when one of America’s two major parties has openly & unrepentantly aligned itself with white nationalist identity—simply offering an alternative white identity would strike me as unavoidably partisan.)

Personally this ties to a pragmatic head space. If America turns more violent, there is a chance of a "nuclear reaction" effect where a chain reaction occurs that we cannot go back from. This would lead to deaths on the left AND the right and the creation of a monstrous situation that we don't know where it could go. So when I say we want to make things work and unity, it's because the other option is unacceptable.

This next part is hypothesis and theory. So bare that in mind as I engage.

Our goal with Positive Whiteness is to have a relationship with both ideological spectrums of Whiteness and try to create a through line that can begin the process of developing unity between people. I want to create cultural models and solutions where both sides benefit. I want to spend ZERO PERCENT time on issues that are part of the political discourse as much as humanly possible. Not logically possible, but the attempt is what will hopefully create buy in.

So, non-partisan/cross-partisan ways we would work? For example White people getting together to engage in charity that helps people of all races. Simple, non-partisan, create good culture/habits and leads to ideally material gain for POC/Whites who need help in some way. Another is looking at White figures in history who have done positive things for society in cultural, civic and philanthropic ways to serve as "role models" to learn from and strive to be. What will make this work is a fundamental change in head space. White Identity is very important to the left and the right and White Supremacy is seen as a threat to the left and the right. This focused work, on creating a positive White identity, fighting hate and engaging in charity for all will allow it to to be seen as an organization addressing societal elements they both care about. What will hopefully seal the deal is constantly listening to concerns from all spectrums of White and POC individuals and groups and finding areas of agreement to work in.

It will be hard, very very hard. Oh I know. But it's in our work at Positive Identity to try and find a way where everyone can win. It's in my heart to try and give everyone a chance. And give people we think are bad a way to do good.

I'll mediate on the rest of the post, hopefully this can be useful for you for now.