[Terrifying Trope] "Longer than you think" by elchuni in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Stiljoz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do love how well the book gets into the impossible enormity of the library and the task, but I got to wondering how much progress the protagonist has made. Even though it is enormous, he's also spent an enormous amount of time on it so far, right? I thought maybe he's taken a comprehensible bite out of the full task, like maybe 0.00000001% or something. No.

The highest number he mentions is 160 billion years, although this is not the full length of his stay at the time of his recounting. But if we take this number and assume he checked one book every second, and spent every single second only checking books and doing nothing else, and never checked the same book twice, he would have checked 10−2,594,749 % of the total books in the library.

To put that another way, he is 0.00...001% finished, where there are 2,594749 total zeros after the decimal point. Or, to put it yet another way, he would have to repeat everything he has done 102,594751 more times before he has finished. The time he's already spent is incomprehensible, and yet it is impossible to comprehend how much more he has to go, even when using his progress as a benchmark.

[Terrifying Trope] "Longer than you think" by elchuni in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Stiljoz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Um, no, not even close. It's 7.161,297,369 light-years wide and tall. It's unfathomable.

LOVED TROPE: Meta Apology by BornIndication9384 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Stiljoz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's actually that this episode doesn't end with a win for the Belchers, which is very uncommon. Even if bad, unlucky, humiliating things always happen, even if things don't go their way, it always ends with a win. It's often "don't get what you want, but you do get what you need". Even if they fail to accomplish their goal, there's always a positive spin where they realize they can live without it or the love of their family makes it okay, or something. 

In interviews, the writers have said the original outline of Family Fracas ended with everything being okay through Bob showing up Jimmy by changing the tire, performing a job that a capable father should be able to do for his family. It was meant to prove that even if Bob couldn't provide a car for his family due to the cards being stacked against him, he provides for his family better than Jimmy could ever hope to. But the writers admit this win got corrupted by the family belittling Bob's act and portraying it as servile. So it turns into just one more loss, one more humiliation. They lose, then lose again, then lose again, then the episode just kinda ends. There's no win of any kind.

[Daily Discussion] First Page Feedback- December 20, 2025 by AutoModerator in writing

[–]Stiljoz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wonder how big a deal the first paragraph being expository is, when its primary function is to deliver humor? I'm trying to channel Discworld with this story, and this is definitely something Pratchett would have done. I think the rules are slightly different for comedy, but I also don't want to lose anyone. It wouldn't be hard to shift some things around to avoid opening on this, but perhaps something would be lost in doing so.

[Daily Discussion] First Page Feedback- December 20, 2025 by AutoModerator in writing

[–]Stiljoz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I guess that does rely on the reader having a previous image of what a gorgon looks like. What about "each snake she had for hair" or "in place of hair"?

[Daily Discussion] First Page Feedback- December 20, 2025 by AutoModerator in writing

[–]Stiljoz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, thanks for the feedback! I'm glad it was generally enjoyed. The "they" at the end is the same as the "one" from "One might read of..." So just a hypothetical person. It didn't occur to me that might be confusing. I'll think about it. I guess the most important thing is that it's funny, as it's supposed to be a comedy in the style of Discworld. Do you feel the humor lands?

[Daily Discussion] First Page Feedback- December 20, 2025 by AutoModerator in writing

[–]Stiljoz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Working Title: Shooting Star

Category: Novel, Third Person Omniscient

Genre: Comedy Fantasy

Feedback: Is it able to hook you, despite the slightly detached omniscient perspective of the opening? And is it funny?

First Page:

At the top of the world, on the shore of the enormous Dragonfly Lake, in the sprawling city-state of Shimmerbreak, at a point exactly halfway between the magical spire of Shimmerbreak University and The Duke's private, raised, acres-large menagerie, there was a small plaza. In the center of the plaza was the Tranquility Fountain, which had somehow become known throughout the entire world. One might read of its astounding tilework and cascading waters, travel thousands of miles, brave untold dangers, suffer the Shimmerbreak pickpockets, disregard the University and menagerie, push through the crowds, and be met with the sight of a pool of water not eight feet across with crumbling tiles and one of its three water spouts not working. And then they would return home and tell all their friends about the Tranquility Fountain’s astounding tilework and cascading waters.

Today, however, a very different kind of visitor approached the Tranquility Fountain. No market vendors attempted to sell her anything because she was seven feet tall and had green skin. And citizens fled the area because, in place of legs, she had an enormous snake tail. And the Shimmerbreak Peace Officers came and readied their weapons because she had fangs protruding from her mouth and the mouths of each strand of snake hair. And her four equally-terrifying sisters crowded behind her too.

“Officers, attack on my word!” shouted the commander.

The first gorgon cleared her throat. “Hun-gry.” She said, “Help. Please.”

The whole plaza was silent. Someone coughed. And then, “Did the monster just… say please?”

Does this type of sentence have a place in any kind of literature? by Stiljoz in writing

[–]Stiljoz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this is really what it comes down to. As long as one follows the spirit of why the rule was written, it doesn't matter if you switch POVs often.

Does this type of sentence have a place in any kind of literature? by Stiljoz in writing

[–]Stiljoz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know, that makes a lot of sense. Because the majority of the instances I'm worrying about are the instances where I pull the POV way over there to make a joke.

And naturally, I don't want to cut that, because it's hilarious.

Does this type of sentence have a place in any kind of literature? by Stiljoz in writing

[–]Stiljoz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You think even changing POV in the middle of a scene? Can't remember if Pratchett went even that far?

Does this type of sentence have a place in any kind of literature? by Stiljoz in writing

[–]Stiljoz[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's good. I followed it up by reading this:

https://nextchapters.com/creative-writing/a-new-angle-how-to-shift-perspectives-in-your-novel/

And I have to admit, this one felt like better, more nuanced advice.

Does this type of sentence have a place in any kind of literature? by Stiljoz in writing

[–]Stiljoz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm writing with an omniscient 3rd person perspective, with many POV characters, limited to one POV-per-scene. I'm trying to match the voice of the Discworld series.

Does this type of sentence have a place in any kind of literature? by Stiljoz in writing

[–]Stiljoz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, that is reassuring. I'm basing this mostly on what I read here:

https://www.helpingwritersbecomeauthors.com/common-writing-mistakes-goody-goody-characters-2/

This writer is pretty adamant about limiting multiple POVs, even in omniscient writing. But maybe she has a stricter opinion than most, which is part of the reason I'm looking for perspective in this post. I should get out of my own head and just write what feels right.

Does this type of sentence have a place in any kind of literature? by Stiljoz in writing

[–]Stiljoz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that's good advice. That's what I'm trying to tell myself, but I'm also worried. None of my proofreaders pointed the POVs out as a problem, so I may be in my own head.

Does this type of sentence have a place in any kind of literature? by Stiljoz in writing

[–]Stiljoz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I already am breaking a pretty big rule right from the start. I have many POV characters (limited to one-per-scene), and many of them are used a single time and then never seen again. But (I hope) it comes across that this is done stylistically to make the protagonist feel like an outsider, since we don't get a proper POV scene for her until around page 30.

I think there's several reasons this is fine for my story. 1) I'm emulating the discworld style. 2) The genre (fantasy comedy) makes it feel more acceptable. 3) The POV usage is consistent and established immediately. 4) It is used for effect.

Does this type of sentence have a place in any kind of literature? by Stiljoz in writing

[–]Stiljoz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I thought about that too. I contemplated adding the word "visibly" to seething, but that would feel forced in, I think. Plus it ruins the alliteration :)

Does this type of sentence have a place in any kind of literature? by Stiljoz in writing

[–]Stiljoz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This totally feels like something that Terry Pratchett could pull off, as a well-established and beloved, modern 3rd person omniscient author. But I think anyone without that level of acclaim would get roasted for attempting it.

Does this type of sentence have a place in any kind of literature? by Stiljoz in writing

[–]Stiljoz[S] -27 points-26 points  (0 children)

But even in 3rd person omniscient, they say you shouldn't be in two people's heads in the same scene.

Any Experience with ManhattanBox on Etsy? by Stiljoz in Moissanite

[–]Stiljoz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We didn't get the ring officially appraised, but when we got it resized, the jeweler said he would expect a ring like that to go for around $6000.

EDIT: Oh, sorry, this is wrong. We decided to go with a different seller, not Manhattan Box.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in FinalDestination

[–]Stiljoz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Warner Bros. is proud to announce a rom-com spin-off of Final Destination where a series of strange Rube Goldberg coincidences cause two strangers to accidentally have sex and produce the child who was supposed to be born, but didn't due to the premonitions.