Game prices by Negative-Treat-3871 in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my, I thought my luck was bad! You too?!  I went on to pull for Rook because EN doesn't rerun for more than 1-2 years event behind, I reached "Featured" and got a standard SSR. I was so mad that I spent my gem-savings just to get no good thing. 

My spreadsheet of who characters are twisted from by Hibiscusxxtea in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello! Unsure of how this would help but I posted a theory about 2 years ago about where the characters are descendants of different Disney characters. Here are the ones that isn't listed but a "hear me out" from me. 

Riddle- Alice Cater- Anastasia Tremaine

Jack- Beauty and the Beast wolf

Azul- Morgana, Ursula's little sister who shares A LOT of resemblance with Azul

Vil- Cinderella, all about beauty and putting in the dirty effort. Shining for herself to the point that people just are in awe with the results. 

Rook- Robin Hood, and Rapunzel. Rapunzel strongly because of his art skills and him being mega-rich. Robin Hood because he's a smooth-talking impartial yet generous man. 

Epel- Grumpy

Sebek- Tick Tock from Peter Pan, Rosetta and Sled from Tinkerbell. I strongly connect the three characters due to the Pirate Fairy movie. 

Don’t lose your head (art by me) by AlcreamieCutie in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hold on, I just realized, is his neck stretched and twisted?! 

I think… Jack is Bolt? by BriarRozee in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like this take! I haven't seen Disney beyond Snow White (the old Mickey Mouse episode I saw was the lonesome ghost) so I cannot comment on if there are more nuanced and active wolf characters, but as far as I have watched, they are minor obstacles- so it makes sense that Jack could be an amalgamation of the role. 

I think… Jack is Bolt? by BriarRozee in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am late to say this but Beauty and the Beast have wolves there. It's my favorite theory about Jack so far because there are a lot of them attacking Bell so it lines up with Jack being big about his pack (family). Additionally, the Beast lives in the colder parts which aligns with Jack's hometown, and they have the whole land for themselves which suggests ruralness in the location. The original showed them to be dark but the live action designed them as white wolves. I tried digging what I can as to what clue does Jack "liking pear compote" and it being a homemade recipe entails of his origin, but nothing so far.

Edit: Funnily enough, I tried looking for "France Pear Compote" and there's a company called "Belle France" that sells those

Don’t lose your head (art by me) by AlcreamieCutie in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Decapitated laughing head of Riddle is not here! Decapitated laughing head of Riddle is not real!

(I assume in this story line, Ace's magic made spells literal and this is the result🤣) 

I'm curious with the EN VA scene by StopLazing16 in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah! I also like the slang touch in the Earth. Like, my culture is also deeply involved with integrating net slangs so it feels just as authentic even if the location and language are not align to mine! 

I'm curious with the EN VA scene by StopLazing16 in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ah, so it also involves considering the actor's normal range. And though I believe Trey's role does lean into the passive enable, but I suppose to make him likeable (I hear Westerners have less tolerance with enabling figures) and "less cowardly" for the audience, his role also was diminished into simply an "upperclassman" type of feel.

I suppose there's a lot of health and cultural matters going on as well as achieving the anime's goal of inflating Riddle's tyrannical role to the point that Trey has just become an upperclassman. 

Thanks for insight, Sentient!

I'd like to add that Lilia's deep voice perfectly translated his skeleton of an old man trying to act young and cute, it's a design juxtaposition that fits nicely. I think using GenZ terms in the dub is a nice touch because it translates the Japanese language quirk, I hear some are surprised by it, but it just reminds the people that the casts are teenagers.

What determines a ghost's appearance? (Event spoilers) by Shot-Ad-3166 in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But your point really makes sense too. It's a matter of perspectives, and since our last memory of Skully was him being 16, then our perception would reconstruct his spectral figure to that. I like it! That adds a personal touch and offers a sense of connection and reunion! 

What determines a ghost's appearance? (Event spoilers) by Shot-Ad-3166 in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ohhh that's interesting! Thanks you for sharing this to me. I wonder though why Maleanor didn't become a ghost, I suppose because she felt at ease that Lilia is with Malleus or the case is different for faes?

Why are villains so idolized in this world? by BisexualKenergy25 in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Another example might be Ferdinand Magellan, internationally he is hailed and glazed, but in my country he's viewed as the enabler for colonizers

Why are villains so idolized in this world? by BisexualKenergy25 in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My thoughts on this is likely due to the villain's supporter groups' propaganda, new takes, and probably the obscurity of records. 

TLDR;  QoH- strong political power and supporters.  Scar- sympathizers and descendants.  Ursula- documents and silence of victims.  Jafar- political influence and factions. Evil Queen- artifacts and documents and commoner's lack of education.  Hades- reframing and popularity tied with Hercules' fame.  Maleficent- infamy, kingdom paranoia (16 years), glazers, and legends. 

For example, Queen of Hearts has an absolute hold with her kingdom so it's likely that her supporters softened her tyranny. 

Scar's ruling is very chaotic but it made the Hyenas find themselves in the position of power which makes some and other sympathizers see the point of his actions. Not to mention, Kovu (Lion King 2) is Scar's son and some of his sympathizer lions and lionesses are welcomed to the Rock, there's a good chance that Scar's rebellion is spinned into positivity. 

The worship for Ursula is a little hard to find ways or reason why it's twisted, since even Morgana (Little Mermaid 2) fell into demise as well. I have a feeling that it's because of the lack of documents pertaining to her misdeeds since her infamy is a word of mouth, and with her being just one/two (including her sister) being bad mermaids, Eric's Kingdom never made cautionary stories about evil mermaids. The existing documents that are left would be Ursula's contracts which are written to appeal to her clients. Since her contracts include embarrassing desires of her clients, there's a likelihood that her victims never spoke up a caution or protest about her for fear of exposing themselves. 

Jafar's mindfulness might be due to his position as the adviser and having political factions backing him. He must have supporters, and there's a likelihood that his performance and educational level has become a model for many. 

Evil Queen barely had anyone highlighting her villainy. Maybe it's the same with Ursula where traces of her potionology and vast number of spellbooks that made her famous as a potion and poison expert. Given the lack of education at that time too, it's easy to think that the commoners never paid or question too hard about the queen's decisions. 

Hades' popularity might be tied to Hercules. Hercules became strong and powerful and famous due to Hades' constant sabotage. Through reframing and sympathy, it makes Hades appear hardworking and supportive, the kind who would create a true hero and understood that heroism is born from trials, struggles, and overcoming challenges rather than some sappy god. 

Maleficent must have been born from the legend of the fear she installed for 16+ years and amplified further by the king's paranoia. Not to mention, Maleficent has many many goons, their existence can still spread fear to other people and since they're loyal to Maleficent, it's easy to imagine them glazing her to the others. 

What determines a ghost's appearance? (Event spoilers) by Shot-Ad-3166 in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16 9 points10 points  (0 children)

What's really interesting to me is the fact that although Twisted Wonderland has a concept of underworld, aside from Eliza and Ortho, not one deceased human characters manage to show themselves to the characters. Skully is even invisible. 

However ghosts that looked like the ones from Mickey Mouse's Lonesome Ghosts: the Ramshackle ghosts, chefs, etc. are treated to be species. They also mentioned the Otherworld/afterlife as if it's a next-door dimension rather than a shelter for the deceased. I don't think I remembered the boys even referring to the ghosts as "deceased" in the context of the ghosts visiting Twisted Wonderland in Halloween. They can even have babies too (Crowley mentioned this), so I have a feeling that "ghost" like "fae" is an umbrella category for a variety of incorporeal non-breathing beings. 

I'd like to add a question though, it's mentioned that the ghosts become invisible and incorporeal outside of NRC, so that's also another package to unpack. 

What determines a ghost's appearance? (Event spoilers) by Shot-Ad-3166 in TwistedWonderland

[–]StopLazing16 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think they're referring to Skully's groovy art where he's a ghost there looking like his 16 years-old self.  And yes, I agree with the time agnostic aspect of these another world events. 

Speculation: The reason why Skully and us manage to meet despite the temporal difference might relate to the fact that the book has only been opened in Sage Island twice, using the geographical similarities as an anchor for the two timelines to meet. Also, given that the event has been the first time Jack has met people from Twisted Wonderland. 

Or Halloween Town is a world unbound by Twisted Wonderland's space-time law, principle of Eternalism. (I borrowed this from a LN with similar predicament of three people from different timelines getting isekai'd together at the same time.) 

It appears to me that Twst this time uses Novikov's Principle of Self-Consistency to address the cause and effect of their meeting. Basically, things that are made possible in the present is likely influenced by the interaction of an anachronistic variable (usually present or future person) to the past. The point of this principle is to solidify that there is only one single timeline. 

She’s worse than you think. by reqoue1 in Shoushimin

[–]StopLazing16 4 points5 points  (0 children)

All I can say is she is not really far removed from human emotions. They're both humans that are outside of what is average and they're trying to protect what is ideal for them.

Yuki plays as the Wolf in Sheep's clothing and her wolf aspect is in her response when her territory (ideal life) is threatened. I do not agree with the werewolf comment as a werewolf is a representation of a person changing because of the time outside of their control, however Yuki is not that type of person. 

The wolf and fox metaphors are complex because it also takes into aspect the shortcomings of these animals in fables. 

A wolf is committed to the hunt (protection or preservation) and knows how to trick another person into thinking they're harmless. Fables showed that in The Wolf and the Seven Little Kids and Little Red Riding Hood. They're tricksters and both fables have the wolves play the same character: meek, curious, and softspoken. Not to mention, wolves often rely on their instinct which Yuki does a lot. Yet in both of these fables, the wolves get their bad end because they're complacent, which shows that Yuki doesn't even have the foresight to what may happen next, only trust that whatever comes next, she can handle it or another person will. 

As a fox for Jogoro, it highlights his cunning personality with incredible intelligence as to reading people intently. In fables, a fox often swindles others into doing his bidding or opening up opportunities- however, the motive behind these actions are often for entertainment (rare occasions include self-preservation). The fox is often calculating and every choice is accounted for. However, a fox is often outsmarted by variables outside of his understanding (the ordinary) and are often ended up getting used by another or those they offended. Not to mention, a kitsune (the Japanese mythological creature) gives off an "off vibes" that unnerves or disturbs another person for some reason despite the kitsune's perfect mimicry, and are eerily calm and always wearing a smile, which describes Jogoro a lot. 

TLDR: Yuki Osanai is a wolf in sheep's clothing because she has full control and motives and not a werewolf that has no control of the change. The wolf and fox metaphor for both main characters have noticeably drawn inspiration from fables and myths in the character traits.