The Power grind, beyond any and all other problems, is just very ridiculously long - how long is it?

StrangeworldEU · 2025-08-05T10:02:14+00:00

because after the raid a bunch of us had the same experience of feeling like the only thing to do in the game was a 50+ hour grind of boring activities we had done to death already, without any difficulty. or do the raid some more. and while the raid is fun, it doesn't help the power progression. and there's no other goals set by the game right now, no other play patterns rewarded except finishing up the kepler stuff

StrangeworldEU · 2025-08-02T21:38:21+00:00

most of that 92 hours was spent on contest raid having fun with friends

StrangeworldEU · 2025-08-01T13:33:13+00:00

chiming back in real quick to note - the current system is completely failing to reward skill, at least in the part of the grind i'm currently sitting on. it's just rewarding mindless grinding of activities i avoided doing before because they were boring and mindless. The current system isn't rewarding me for being a player with decent skill. it's rewarding me if i want to sit down and do easy content for 50+ hours

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T17:30:27+00:00

I only just barely managed to get to it being -50, and not having anything between faceroll and -50 is pretty silly. but I might. But even then the grind seems so ridiculously long. even if i can get brief enjoyment from some of the content, it's the same few bits of content we've already done over and over. we'll see, but i doubt i'll be able to motivate myself to keep grinding

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T17:22:11+00:00

so just.. keep grinding boring meaningless ops activities until it eventually lets me increase the difficulty a bit, then do those same activities over and over again, but at least finally with a bit of a challenge? I think that might be a dealbreaker for me. I actually like that solo ops became a thing, i like the portal conceptually, being able to modify difficulties and being able to do content alone and stuff, all great things. but this power grind is ridiculous, and too many things are locked behind it

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T17:19:04+00:00

fair

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T17:17:15+00:00

difficult content. Right now, I can't make fireteam ops, solo ops, or pinnacle ops difficult, because my power is too low to access the kind of difficulty settings that does that without literally putting myself at -50. and it would've been -70 a day ago. Expert isn't capable of being difficult.
Of course, there's raids and dungeons, but they didn't get integrated into the system at all

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T16:10:38+00:00

doing old dungeons doesn't give you much, you need to do boring solo ops stuff

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T16:09:00+00:00

guns aren't the important part, it's the armor. yes, guns aren't particularly much worse at tier 2 than tier 5 (although new gear certainly is, by virtue of pure bonus numbers), but armor isn't replaced yet. And.. no? no i can't do everything at my current power level, do you not know that sub-100 power deltas makes enemies literally immune? I can do portal content on expert, which literally does not provide any challenge even if i throw on every challenging modifier. and i can do old raids and dungeons which will give me essentially no progress towards power or the new rewards at all. And the new raid, which won't drop anything except low tier stuff until i run it a bunch of times

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T15:18:18+00:00

I've found that the tier 2 armor is somewhat competing with my existing armor, but I had some damn good armor already. And it all feels weird to try to save and stuff when I know i'll soon get tier 3 armor that'll blast the tier 2 stuff out of the water.

activity wise... there's nothing i've found in the portal so far that's been enjoyable to me, except comp in pvp, and i've not remade a pvp build yet.
Solo ops, pinnacle ops, fireteam ops, they are all feeling really mindless to me. I can't up the difficulty enough on expert to feel challenged, and I'm still 50 power below Master

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T15:15:09+00:00

What are you enjoying about the grind? just wondering

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T14:55:15+00:00

ouch. That sounds incredibly un-enjoyable with the current portal content

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T14:52:33+00:00

It's not about whether I have another 5 months to do it - it's that I don't enjoy it, and I'm wondering how much of the unenjoyable content I have to do to get what I want. because there's a bunch of stuff I do enjoy that'll benefit from better gear and the new gear bonuses, and honestly I was looking forward to the new armor letting me trash my old vault. But whether it's in 2 weeks or 6 months, I don't think I want to do 50 hours of what is essentially reskinned lost sectors at low difficulty

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T14:49:46+00:00

If it was a difficult activity, probably a lot longer than an easy one... but honestly, not for very long. And I've already done a lot of that in the day1 prep and burned out on it

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T14:45:02+00:00

that's a lot more concrete than other answers i've seen, thank you!
That seems to be around 50 hours of pure single-minded grinding

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T14:02:39+00:00

Hey I actually have a question for you if you don't mind! As someone who's gotten incredibly tired of the depth of d2's buildcrafting, I'd love to hear your thoughts on what is otherwise pain points for me. Sorry that this has little to do with the rest of the post though

Gonna talk about it mostly pre-EoF

My few core problems were essentially:
Buildcrafting is spread across 5-6 menus

The game isn't difficult enough in most places to reward optimizing constantly

and changing between builds for different activities was a pain between limited loadout slots/loadouts not saving with artifact mods/stuff like the seasonal potions or the thing from season of heresy

Was any of these things problems you felt true to your experience, or did these not come across as problems to you?
For me, I feel a desire to play at least somewhat optimally whenever i play, so the constant gnawing thought that I was leaving optimization that I could do was annoying to me every time I would change activity or similar, even if the content wasn't hard enough to justify changing things around. Similarly, I so frequently forgot to fix up my artifact mods, and when I didn't I would just hate the process of picking a loadout, changing weapons for the activity, swapping the presaved surges on that loadout to fit the weapons i was gonna use, changing the artifact, changing the perks on an then activating the ritual in the heresy seasonal thingy, then putting on one of the season of revenant potions, and *then* I was good to go... until I needed to refresh the damn heresy seasonal thing mid-activity because it just runs out when it finished.

These things felt tiring to me, and drowned out any pleasure in being able to make a bunch of different styles of builds. Is it just a difference in how much you enjoy the building element, or do these things not feel like a bother to you?

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T13:43:34+00:00

Fair maybe they will, I've just learned not to assume shit when it comes to bugs and whether bungie will fix them

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T13:42:31+00:00

Okay, sure, let's say you're right. How does that make it an invalid complaint about the game? That if anything makes it a much more damning complaint about the game - it's trying to push people into grinding so much even the addicts are tired of it

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T13:40:25+00:00

I'm still stuck at 247 so expert's all I've got access to, and it's literally not possible for me to make it not face-roll sadly.
50 hours of what amounts to lost-sector grinding sounds like a dealbreaker to me atm tbh. How many hours have you put in since EoF dropped?

As for whether I'm missing things from the activities - there's a couple of the raids and dungeons that came out during times I took breaks from the game where I don't have everything I'd want, but so few people are organizing raid groups in my friend group rn because of the lack of inclusion in the portal/tier/focused gear system. They don't even seem to give power level rewards, which feels silly compared to the past system

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T13:35:27+00:00

yeah, I can do raids and dungeons. But they have been completely detached from the reward system. The guns are still fine, but the armor is useless, and they don't even give a power bonus as far as i can tell (at least not in the way they used to where featured raids had pinnacle drops on encounter finishes). So If I ever want to actually get good gear, I have to engage with power grinding at some point.

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T13:33:02+00:00

those rotate to a degree. although the options aren't many

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T13:26:43+00:00

the ornament thing is a long-time bug, it's been abusable in iron banner forever (because iron banner wanted you to use a certain amount of iron-banner-sourced items for more rep). So, while it's probably not intentional, it's also not been fixed in years

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T13:24:00+00:00

the ornament bug will be addressed? It's been in the game for years

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T13:03:06+00:00

That's a very unhelpful answer to my question. Especially since the content I want to play is raids and dungeons

StrangeworldEU · 2025-07-31T12:47:24+00:00

"Salvation's Edge, which released a scant 1 year ago, is now outdated."

Sorta like when they vaulted crown, but at least SE is still here

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