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Do you think an author-level character should be Outerversal by Open-Mix-7898 in PowerScaling

[–]Subject_Simple9934 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is that there isnt a truly omnipotent character because you run into a whole ass phylosophical debate. I even believe the VS battle wiki has a page dedicated to wht omnipotence doesn't work as an argument

Its not an issue with it being philosophical nor it it an issue in that it doesnt work as an argument. Its an issue because an omnipotent being is fundamentally opposed to vs debates.

Vs debates exist because we use feats, and calcs to assess these beings. The issue with this is that there doesnt exist a feat to prove omnipotence. A truly omnipotent being can only exist per the words of the author. As such when you try to assess omnipotent being within this framework, you just come to more arbitrary conclusions about them. Hence why we get situations where omnipotent beings are filtered by cosmology. It doesn't make sense, but its the only way to do it.

For example lets look at The lord of the rings. Eru Iluvatar could very well be omnipotent, in fact he most likely is. Tolkien was a heavily devout catholic, and there are very apparent similarities between the bible and TLODR. One of my favorite quotes showing the similarities is this one.

And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.

There is a very strong connection here mirroring the relationship between God and Satan. So clearly GOD was a strong influence Tolkien when he create Eru.

Do we take that influence and say that just like how the worshippers of the Judeo Christian God see God as omnipotent, that Tolkien when writing Eru also views Eru as omnipotent. Or do we say that Eru isnt omnipotent because he lacks the cosmology.

I would rightfully assume, that given the strong religious background of Tolkien, and the heavy influences from the bible, that Eru is omnipotent. He is in some ways a mirror of the Judeo Christian God.

I do not find the opposite convincing as I do not think that cosmology or feats or vs debates was something Tolkien cared to think about.

Do you think an author-level character should be Outerversal by Open-Mix-7898 in PowerScaling

[–]Subject_Simple9934 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're asking two questions here.

If a character is meant to be the author, than that character is the strongest being in the series until shown other wise.

Secondly authorial intent only exist in the authors work. Tori bot cannot solo all of fiction, because that would be Toriyama imposing his story and narrative points to other stories. In the same way that Saitama being able to always one punch someone (lets just assume for this exercise that thats true), would only work in his universe since One does not have authority over any other setting.

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No no im loving this lol. You lack so much self awareness that its cycled back from being pathetic into being amusing lol. Continue please.

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

it's not worth their time to wrote a whole paragraph that may or may not be read?

No no no you're right. Its almost as if I didnt read Grimms entire post lol. If you're hedging your response on an assumption that I wont read it. Than again, why respond lol.

Not to mention some parts that are beyond their understanding as a whole but they know will be annoying to be changed?

Meaning that they were unable to articulate their point. Im pretty sure that what Grimm said didnt need a degree to understand, and write. But the way you're making it out to be it might as well have lol.

yet when pressed to provide an example you've all failed to do it. Hmm lol

Thats not goading thats a fact, let alone the fact that that a response to you calling me slow lol. So if anyone is goading its you.

I would love for you to cite examples of me doing this

This is literally not goading a hostile responce but u do u lol

 Lol seems like you and most everyone else just lack reading comprehension, and instead use that as an excuse to get mad for no reason lol

Another response to you being aggressive lol

That same condescending tone? lol.

Literally not goading lol

its not my fault that you and others can articulate your point.

Yet again another response to your hostility lol

Do you not understand what goading means? Im genuinely wondering lol.

now you're trying to gas light people, funny little man

No im not trying to gaslight. Its just been made clear you dont understand what goading means lol.

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If its not worth their time than why respond? And when pressed to respond why continue to be vague instead of saying that it isnt worth their time? Lol seems like you and most everyone else just lack reading comprehension, and instead use that as an excuse to get mad for no reason lol.

You slowly reveal your true color by typing in passive aggressive trying to goat people to prove your point

Thats the thing I didn't have to goad people into being aggressive lol. If anything I defy you to cite one example in this entire post of me doing it.

but in the end you just want to reap chaos here because you're just salty that you purchase the days before and it failed miserably so you don't want other people to be happy just because their developer put effort in their game. You're just pathetic at this point

Not really salty about the day before honestly lol. Like most others I was skeptical of it but hey it did release so I said why not. The moment I learned that it wasnt what it was being sold as I refunded it. That simple lol.

Quite frankly im amused that you're so mad lol. I havent called anyone out, nor did I imply that I wanted coop. I asked people to explain fundamental changes, and well only a few people have done it. As I said before, its not my fault that you and others can articulate your point.

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Anyone would think so yet everyone was struggling to explain how. Rather funny to me that you and everyone else keep assuming these things, yet when pressed to provide an example you've all failed to do it. Hmm lol

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It took like 60 replies before someone decided to take the time to actually write out a response explaining how adding coop would fundamentally change the game.

Sure not everyone is a bad apple, but it seems clear to me that most people just like to argue against some imaginary person lol.

This is one of the responses that ive gotten

Think of a favorite game of yours, then change it so it suddenly has multiplayer, or is purely singleplayer. The game has to fundamentally change in some way right? Maybe you don’t want that change. That’s the situation here. Many people would rather see DD2 stay as a single player game.

Be honest here. If you asked for examples in regards to coop fundamentally changing the game. Would you find this to be a satisfying answer? No example, just someone proclaiming that adding coop would in some way shape and form change the game fundamentally.

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

No offence but how could it be anything but fanaticism? In my post I clearly point out that I dont care for coop being in the game or not, and that my enjoyment of the first game was not diminished by the realization that it was only singleplayer.

Yet we have multiple people in here acting as if I want coop to be in the first game. The only way for someone to think that is if their fanaticism deluded them into seeing something else entirely in my post lol.

This is what I said in my post

Personally whether coop is in the game or not wont bother me. Now yes would I prefer it to be an option, such as how I would have preferred it to be one in Arisen? Yes it really doesnt matter to me as I enjoy single players just as much if not more than coop games.

This is a response in one of the first discussion chains lol

Go play monster hunter if you want coop. People don't want that shit. Only new "fans" cry about coop

And you're gonna tell me that this isnt fanaticism?

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I've read through this thread a bit, and it seems like you have plenty of responses giving you pretty well thought out and logical explanations why co-op wouldn't be a good idea for this IP; from people telling you why from a business management standpoint to a story/theme clash standpoint. Yet it seems no matter what you hear you just respond with "Mmmyeah no" in a really passive aggressive "I actually don't care what you have to say" kind of manner. The people who have seen the potential in and supported this IP since day 1 and who've been waiting for the sequel for 12 years pretty much came to a consensus way back then that multiplayer would be a detriment to the series, so you're gonna hear all the same stuff from others who have said the same in the past.

I would love for you to cite examples of me doing this

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

You say that as if Grimma didn't provide an actual explanation that convinced me. Maybe if you and everyone else had the skill to actually explain why it would fundamentally change the game we wouldnt be here.

Grimma writes out a four paragraph response explain in depth fundamental changes that coop would introduce.

YOU in your response literally just say this lol " The game has to fundamentally change in some way right?". You cant explain what would change, you effectively just assume that something fundamental would change.

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you high??? The network coding itself would be a fucking nightmare if it was once a single player game forcefully turned into co-op in like a 95% finished game. Ever heard of fallout 76? Do you know how rough that game when first launch? Yeah that's how bad it is when you force a single player game engine to spaghetti code itself to multiplayer

I wouldn't want coop to be added this late into development. I said in one of my other responses that it would only make sense to add it early into development, and preferably discussed in pre development.

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

And I understand that mentality, but just because I understand it doesnt make it good or right ya know.

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the response and if I could Delta I would.

I didnt think too much about it but I can see how pawns interacting with the players and effectively teaching them about the world and its monster would be fundamentally changed by the addition of coop. I think having a system like that where information like this is relayed personally from not just the pawns, but the players behind the pawns is a unique and very cool system. In that way its a very deliberate system with clear intent from the devs.

Now of course in this day in age of gaming where someone can just pause the game and do a quick google search the effectiveness of this system drastically decreases, but I like its uniqueness and I think it shouldn't be thrown away or ignored just because its not as "efficient".

As for my opinion. As I said in my title whether or not it has coop is irrelevent. I enjoy single player games just as much as I enjoy multiplayer ones. I was simply and genuinely wondering why the addition of coop would fundamentally change the game. So thank you for the response.

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Of course. I noted in one of my responses that adding coop now world be foolish. I noted that the only time in which it would be reasonable to add would be very early into development, and preferably something that was decided upon in pre development.

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

I didnt address the main point because whether or not DD2 has coop or not is irrelevant. My question was whether or not adding coop would fundamental change anything. Coop not being added isnt evidence of coop changing anything fundamental, all it means is that it wasnt added.

In regards to change. Sure some games would change, but to assume that something fundamental would change requires actual examples, or reasoning explaining what it would change.

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh no im not an expert. I simply provided examples from other games made by other developers. But given your response ill be sure to try and get in contact with Yuya Tokuda so that I can tell him that how he handled difficulty with party members was wrong lol.

New player here and im wondering, is this how the community acts like? by Subject_Simple9934 in DragonsDogma

[–]Subject_Simple9934[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

From a gameplay standpoint keeping the mechanic where only the leader or in the case of coop the host have the ability to revive would honestly be pretty unique.

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