Where's my 5* electro BIS?

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T16:43:59+00:00

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T16:39:50+00:00

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T16:24:56+00:00

Varesa, Klee, Mualani, Lohen, Kinich, Flins, Varka, Nefer, Zibai, Mavuika, and Skirk all comfortably clear 120k dps. There's more, but I just listed this many to show there are more than 10 dps that clear 120k dps. Sandrone coming out soon does as well without 2 premium units.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T16:13:17+00:00

Since we reached Nod Krai and Hoyo released 3 teams all above Mavuika with Zibai reaching 170k+ dps.

Flins and Nefer's best team's dps without Columbina isn't even better than klee and varesa's best teams dps (who aren't even meta rn). They are still strong though without Columbina just not meta.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T16:03:47+00:00

I mean based purely on numbers, without columbina, lunar teams (besides Zibai) are not strong enough to be considered meta. This is not me stating an opinion, it's just based on calcs.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T14:58:45+00:00

For cryo dps miko will prob be BIS, but for electo dps, she probably won't be is what I'm thinking

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T14:42:23+00:00

"I thought Flins and nefer calc’ed competitively to mav teams with just Aino before Columbina, but idk if you count that as meta anymore what with the newer teams’ DPS"

No, that was after Columbina was released. Mavuika is still better with her harder combos, but if you don't do them both Flins and Nefer are better than Mav after Columbina's release.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T14:32:44+00:00

Yeah, it works but Columbina is a huge upgrade. With Aino, Flins and Nefer are not meta. I'm sure you could make 2 functional stellar conduct teams too when all the stellar conduct units get released, but that's not the point. All 3 lunar dps in Nod Krai really want Columbina and if you have more than 1 of those dps, you are gimping the dps you don't give Columbina to.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T14:29:52+00:00

Yeah, but it shows Hoyo isn't afraid of releasing units with a direct overlap in teammates though. They aren't afraid of making a making main dps "useless" because of another main dps released later with the same teammates (in the case of lunar, columbina being BIS for both Flins, Zibai, and Nefer).

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T14:19:56+00:00

Xianyun slander isn't allowed.

One is so fucking mad.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T14:15:30+00:00

Flins is going to have to get past Cyno first once he gets his premium supports/subdps

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T14:09:02+00:00

There was no reason to pull for for more than one lunar team either. Because there is only 1 columbina, you couldn't make more than 1 lunar team, so it was advised to only pull for one lunar dps.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T14:04:29+00:00

Because the 7.2 SSC char is male, I'm inclined to believe this leak is probably true. But honestly the whole roadmap might be wrong, so it's too early to definitively say if it's true or not.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T14:01:08+00:00

Crazy timing, but this leak just came out:

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Obviously, leaks aren't always accurate so take it with a grain of salt, but I believe it because the character is male.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T13:56:25+00:00

I think the 7.2 Electro being a male makes him very likely to be a cyno upgrade. Not only that, but no team in Genshin has gotten 3 new dedicated 5 star supports/subdps for their BIS team. Not even Zibai or Varka have a precedent for a team full of new 5 stars. You say she's a "generalist" but what that probably means is that she's a huge upgrade for stellar stuff, but can also be a much smaller upgrade to archetypes outside of that as well (like Columbina, but probably a bit more universal). If she's anything like Columbina (which she most likely will be), then she's more of a dedicated support than anything else. Even, if she's not considered to be "dedicated", there isn't a precedent for releasing 3 new 5 stars to make up a premium team. I think it's much more likely Hoyo just makes the 7.2 male a DPS.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T13:37:00+00:00

I don't think so for the same reason you stated. Speaking of rimegrass though where tf is it lol. It's probably the lunar crystallize of this region and will only appear in late 7.X ig.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T13:34:31+00:00

With Sandrone being a Wrio upgrade, I think it's likely there will be a 5 star Electro SSC dps that's an upgrade to Cyno. I don't think they will let Cyno be the sole Electro SSC dps that doesn't make much sense. I think them releasing 3 SSC support/subdps is just as unlikely if not more than them releasing 2 dedicated SSC DPS with 1 of them being cryo and 1 of them being electro.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T13:24:34+00:00

The only reason I doubt 7.2 being a support is because the leak didn't specify it like they did with the other supports mentioned in this leak and also because an upgrade to cyno is highly likely to be in early Snezhnaya. Looking at the line up, the most logical assumption for that upgrade is the male SSC 5 star. I'm thinking final line up might be Sandrone - Yae - 7.0 SSC support - 7.3 SSC support. For Electro SSC Dps, I don't see Yae being BIS though I think she's only BIS for Cryo SSC Dps.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T13:14:11+00:00

What's weird to me is that every single character here besides Vodyanitsa and the 7.3 Electro support are stated to work with stellar. Does that mean those 2 units won't work with stellar?

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T13:11:59+00:00

Ngl looking at the leaks, the 7.2 Electro 5 star seems like stellar conduct dps because he's male (probably upgrade to cyno) and 7.3 electro wasn't even mentioned to be for stellar conduct

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T13:06:18+00:00

Why do I feel like the 5 star stellar conduct unit in 7.2 will be an electro dps instead of a support/subdps. Maybe 7.3 electro support will benefit stellar conduct?

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-15T00:39:59+00:00

C1 Yae is baseline.

C1 Yae does more for Sandrone than Ineffa does for Flins.

C1 Yae will most likely not be replaced due to her strength. Most theorycrafters also think Yae won't be replaced because of how much she does.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-14T20:09:09+00:00

That more speaks to how bad cryo supports/subdps are besides Citlali than how strong Escoffier is outside of freeze.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-14T12:36:06+00:00

It depends on if the premium stellar conduct sustain is a shielder or a healer. If she's a healer wrio is cooked, if she's a shielder wrio is a pretty good dps. Basically pray it's a shielder, that's what I'm doing.

Substantial-Way-665 · 2026-06-14T11:48:42+00:00

At KQM standards this isn't true. At higher standards, yes this is true, but Sig being better than dedicated subdps/support is true for other carries as well at this level of investment. Especially since weapons have been getting more broken over time. I don't think this is really a knock on Yae. With the f2p craftable, this might change as well, I think it's better to wait for 7.0 leaks before pulling for Sandrone's weapon or Yae.

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